From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Sat Dec 15 19:03:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta515.mail.yahoo.com (mta515.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.254]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id fBG23wU07428 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:03:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta515.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Dec 15 18:03:57 2001 -0800 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 207.153.90.205 (EHLO visionplants.org) (207.153.90.205) by mta515.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 18:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.arnet.com.ar [200.45.191.6] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.04) id AEE9EC00CC; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:54:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 32705 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 01:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) (200.45.122.172) by smtp1.arnet.com.ar with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 01:54:43 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c185d6$9c3689c0$ac7a2dc8@oemcomputer> From: "LacOv" To: Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:25:25 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: EE: pindodol, ha! Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO (from a rick strassmann chat session-a good tip to intensify dmt experiences -maybe it would work with shrooms) Q: my question is about blood pressure medicine. Can you take this with huasca, a beta blocker? "Well, I can't really give medical advise. But, we did do a study using pindolol, a beta-blocker, which is sometimes used for high blood pressure. It actually ended up magnifying the effects of DMT by a factor of 2-3 times. The thing about most beta-blockers is that they also block one of the serotonin receptors, called the "1A" site. Most tryptamines activate this site, which actually turns out to be an "inhibitory" site. That is, if you block an inhibitory site, which the 1A site is, then effects of DMT and other psychedelics are more powerful. We got into some dicey territory with pindolol." From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Sat Dec 15 19:14:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta444.mail.yahoo.com (mta444.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.99]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id fBG2EYU08086 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta444.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Dec 15 18:14:33 2001 -0800 X-Track: 3: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 207.153.90.205 (EHLO visionplants.org) (207.153.90.205) by mta444.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 18:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.arnet.com.ar [200.45.191.6] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.04) id AEEF41500E4; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:54:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 32746 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 01:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) (200.45.122.172) by smtp1.arnet.com.ar with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 01:54:49 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c185d6$9f63d4e0$ac7a2dc8@oemcomputer> From: "LacOv" To: Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:34:46 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: EE: dimitri : reality thermostat Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO pkeffect You said that DMT is released in the developing fetus at the 49th day, do you believe that the child when born is in a "dream state" even when awake because of the amount of tryptamines in the brain? Rick_Strassman This is only a theory, but one I believe is supported by lots of circumstantial evidence. I do think it's highly likely that both the mother and newborn are in a highly psychedelicized state, and there's lots of reason to believe this is mediated by DMT in both the mother and newborn. The issue of DMT and dreams also takes on very weird implications when you realize that DMT is actively transported into the brain. This indicates the brain "needs" DMT for some reason,' as it's expending precious energy to get in across the incredibly tight defense system known as the blood brain barrier. This suggests DMT is some kind of "reality thermostat." Too little and the world gets dull, flat, and lifeless--too much and things get very bizarre. From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Sat Dec 15 19:33:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta494.mail.yahoo.com (mta494.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.202]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id fBG2XXU09415 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Message-ID: <20011216023332.76691.qmail@mta494.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from mta494.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Dec 15 18:33:32 2001 -0800 X-Track: 3: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 207.153.90.205 (EHLO visionplants.org) (207.153.90.205) by mta494.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 18:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.arnet.com.ar [200.45.191.6] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.04) id AEF1F200CC; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:54:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 301 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 01:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) (200.45.122.172) by smtp1.arnet.com.ar with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 01:54:51 -0000 From: "LacOv" To: Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:46:57 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: EE: fetus lotus Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO (sorry for the fwd but this is so interesting that i wanted to share!) Q: I'm curious about the role of DMT in fetal development; how did you come up with 49 days, and what is the significance of that, if any. Rick_Strassman The pineal and the gonads are first seen in human fetuses at 49 days. That's also the time that's supposed to elapse, based on Tibetan Buddhist thinking, between the death of one person, and their incarnation in the next human life. Sort of a strange coincidence, and got me looking for what happens in the fetus at 49 days. Bingo--there's the pineal and the sexual apparatus first appearing. Is it a coincidence?