From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 16:34:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta323.mail.yahoo.com (mta323.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.107.55]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f62MYaH02891 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta323.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 15:34:32 2001 -0700 X-Track: -40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta323.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 15:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wf.net [64.57.224.7] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id AFED5B0060; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:04:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 20641 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:08:18 -0500 Received: from pm1-35.dialup.wf.net (HELO goldcoat) (64.57.225.242) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 2 Jul 2001 17:08:18 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010702170600.007279d4@mail.wf.net> Aerie: Moon Arbor Anthropaean: Holotropic Hymn of Heliolotry X-Sender: aardvark@mail.wf.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:06:00 -0500 To: e.e@visionplants.org From: Chaffyn Subject: EE: Web Site Update ~ More Where Bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO . === http://www.wf.net/~aardvark/ee/wheree/wee_bee.htm === From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 16:59:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta468.mail.yahoo.com (mta468.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.133]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f62Mx4H05346 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:59:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta468.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 15:59:03 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta468.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 15:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.229] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB9718F0060; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:54:15 -0400 Message-ID: <20010702225804.70285.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.191.119.36] by web12606.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:58:04 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Subject: Re: EE: Ecstasy (2CB & 2-CT-7?) To: e.e@visionplants.org In-Reply-To: <20010702163343.30662.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO I used to have a slight predjudice againts ecsatcy, at raves in the early nineties i considere it to be more plainly a feel-good drug than the mind-expanding LSD. That was just a mini-cultural view, but i never did get deeply 'into' it like my friends, just the way it made me feel the day after was enough to be wary of the experience, unlike the afterglow from psychedelics. Now (i have this little logical graph in my head) i would categorize a healthy balance of MDMA use being that it works incredibly as psycho-theraputic tool, and beyond that it still feels only like a partying/fun quality experience, not necessarily illuminating, spiritual or psychedelic, so it would seem that the threshold of E consumption should balance with one's normal psychological state, a fun and sensual escape is healthy once in awhile but dependency or excessive use would logially bring reprocussions, just because it doesn't seem to deal with things on mindful level of intelligence or growth of consciousness, mostly a pscho-somatic melting pot of empathy, which is good and calming for a stressed out ego or heart, but in terms of healing or revealing the sub-conscious it never took me that far. So to me it just makes sense that it is a highly abused drug in this day & age and in our popular society, and it makes sense that such abuse could be damaging, but i still think it is a volumous dimension of experience worth having occasionally. However, my experiences with 2CB & 2-CT-7 have been much more psychedelic than those with MDMA or MDA, I'm curious if the same warnings concerning brain damage or serotonin depletion etc are true for these compounds also, I gues because they are not as widely or highly used it doesn't pose such a threat, but, anyone know? -Evan ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 17:05:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta422.mail.yahoo.com (mta422.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.77]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f62N52H05875 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta422.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 16:04:08 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta422.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 16:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.123] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ACFD1B90060; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:00:13 -0400 Received: from adnsvo63fs8rww9.cableinet.co.uk ([62.31.23.103]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 3 Jul 2001 00:06:15 +0100 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010702231713.00a64fd0@pop.cableinet.co.uk> X-Sender: jgys01806@pop.cableinet.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 00:03:31 +0100 To: ee-digest From: Jim Gilliland Subject: Re: EE: There is no final techno-entheo truth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail2.thuntek.net id f62N52H05875 Status: RO hey pEEple: Evan wrote: > So whats next, what's 'the next big thing?' Its like >we have this panorama of technology merging with >nature (nano-tech, gentics, AI, VR, accelarating 3D >animation, etc) all pointing to some kind of >technological singularity, beyond which we can't see, >we have no ideas. the technological totality symbol: the light device. concrescence: completion, ending, beginning: metamorphosis, transmutation, understanding and fulfillment language is changing, the evolution to being is begun no longer the wordage, the numbering and counting of little pieces, the rearrangement of blocks to form meaning. The contemplation will be in the living: the immediate experience and inevitable infinity of I AM (for i am "is" it all). >So fine, Terence was right, but is >the job of synergizing and channeling new concepts >completely left to the scientists now? If that seems >to be the case then then there is probably some other >end of the spectrum that is being ignored,, The mind >of the cosmos?, the mind of the future?, minds from >the future? the secret pasts? the secret presents? >I dont know i guess I'm a little bored, but you catch >my drift. i've written back to you several times now, none of the posts making it to the out tray. Why? Because language is inept and the medium as treacle. We cannot penetrate these ultimate realms from this dimension. We can only bring back fragments, so our discussions become fragmented. The shaman attempts to bridge the upper and below and traditionally the conductive action is through art, through non verbal communication: transcendent and resplendent and utterly incomprehensible to those not treading a nearby path. And of me? i create community instead, in my limited daily view. i aim to "be" what i intend and to be to the best of my ability. The future could go so many ways and yet we can only speak from our personal convictions. My conviction, shewn to me by a teacher of vegetal character, was one of union with the other: a return to the past by escaping to the future, where these "technologies" we have created will seem like toys: a preparation for the real deal. If nature can create these technologies (through our species) from a dimension of thought (where all things reside until we bring them into being through our material efforts), then what of our trips? Imagine the complexities of what could "be" when we merge with this higher dimensional reality. We cannot anticipate what will be: just as we cannot anticipate the content of the vegetal voyage prior to departure. >usually a mystical or meta-phisical model for reality >is used to cope with reality before it is discovered >as a scientific realm of factual exploration. So we >do we have any new metaphisical models or maps? myths >even? or is the amount of unkown and mysterious >exactly what is accelerating so exponentially? Patience is the only way: we have to unhook ourselves from the pace-car: else be smushed >The weirdest thing around human consciousness right >now is DMT and trypatamine entheogens. the >implications of what we experience on these compounds >is ridiculously incredible. >I understand patience is high virtue, but what the >fuck? i read the reports DMT trips on websites, >Strassman's book, friends,, what the hell is going on? > If it always feels 'more real than real' then can we >start to piece some of these things together? like >get a plot going or something. this is the final readout, all is underway. I'm hoping we will all be drawn together by inevitability: death at the worst (though that's not such a bad thing, once you get to see the other side): within our lifetimes at best. >contemporary >myth-structure might be a good tool to use against the >language problem, a new language is forming: the precursor to an evolutionary metamorphosis >people used to create mythology >because they couldn't understand things like >lightning, the Sun, biology, but when science came in >and took the place of myth and religion, we thought we >knew it all, except for that little problem of >everything (creation and infinity) so we made one big >god to sit in the throne of the unknowable(infinite & >everything), but now the diverse influx of mystery is >back and coming on strong,, "fractals, computers, >quarks, black holes, inhabited Paralel dimensions for >chrissakes! from a distance, it's all beautiful >so psychedelics are healing (really nice word), >entheogens are illuminating, and tryptamines will show >you a place where insect aliens with a sense of humor >we all wish we had are performing psche-somatic >operations on us with morphing tools of living >technology,, but when we do go through the stunning >beauty of hyperdimensional geometry and face the >beings eyes to eyes, what do they tell you? what do >they teach you? what do they show you? many things to me: many more to others here. For me: a community, a tranquility, terrible things in the world at large, a new energy, a new language, a new relationship to nature: like a bio-augmented reality interface, new ways of living, not based on capitalism but cooperation, externalised material creation, a new technology, the union of afterlife with life in projection chambers, the refraction of dimensions and ultimately the inheritance of the earth by those who refused to judge the world before it came "down on them". you did ask >no, seriously, anyone care to share? >to be continued? i wish i had posted the earlier attempts to respond, but so much i say is crass: words are empty. *This* is why we need the plant teachers, why we need to "listen" to what they have to tell us. Although it's a while since i partook, i note the Other always places the teachers in my life whenever i need them and not unless. Within my city mary jane is popular and she whispers sweet things in my ears daily - continuing the communication from the continuum. I treat my time with her as precious, for she feeds me more than i can comprehend. There are other conduits: I even hear my Gran and Terence, departed friends and the life and lives around me speak to me as well, but without the plants: i cannot let go enough to decipher their meaning or even recognise i'm being spoken to. >-Evan seek the plants: they have something interesting to tell you >ps i feel like Cartman when he says, "I love you guys" >(because I do:) i'm British i don't do that sort of thing, sorry old chap ;) C-ya ! J.*A*.G =8¬~ ---------- "...and i will raise up for them a plant of reknown." Ezekiel 34 v29 From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 17:46:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta581.mail.yahoo.com (mta581.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.110]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f62NkuH09314 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:46:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta581.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 16:46:55 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta581.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 16:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.231] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A70412D0068; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:43:00 -0400 Message-ID: <20010702234650.74853.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.191.122.160] by web12608.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:46:50 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:46:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Subject: Re: EE: There is no final techno-entheo truth To: e.e@visionplants.org In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010702231713.00a64fd0@pop.cableinet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO thank you Jim for these words, hit the spot, yummy, you helped dopen up emotional channels tangled with emirical stress, i see what you mean about language from the way you express yourself. I aggree very deeply with everything you said. I want to insert more replies to your replies but it would mostly be statements of confirmation and agreement. I LOVE what you said about Mary Jane, and the lesson you shared from your DMT trips are deeply appreciated (more! more!), and yeah I've learned some really profound lessons from Terence in his afterlife, through dreams mostly, it appears our tricky shaman friend it still at it and conected to our situation wherever he is. love, Evan --- Jim Gilliland wrote: > hey pEEple: > > Evan wrote: > > > > So whats next, what's 'the next big thing?' Its > like > >we have this panorama of technology merging with > >nature (nano-tech, gentics, AI, VR, accelarating 3D > >animation, etc) all pointing to some kind of > >technological singularity, beyond which we can't > see, > >we have no ideas. > > > the technological totality symbol: the light device. > concrescence: completion, ending, beginning: > metamorphosis, transmutation, > understanding and fulfillment > > language is changing, the evolution to being is > begun > > no longer the wordage, the numbering and counting of > little pieces, the > rearrangement of blocks to form meaning. The > contemplation will be in the > living: the immediate experience and inevitable > infinity of I AM (for i am > "is" it all). > > >So fine, Terence was right, but is > >the job of synergizing and channeling new concepts > >completely left to the scientists now? If that > seems > >to be the case then then there is probably some > other > >end of the spectrum that is being ignored,, The > mind > >of the cosmos?, the mind of the future?, minds from > >the future? the secret pasts? the secret presents? > >I dont know i guess I'm a little bored, but you > catch > >my drift. > > i've written back to you several times now, none of > the posts making it to > the out tray. Why? Because language is inept and > the medium as > treacle. We cannot penetrate these ultimate realms > from this > dimension. We can only bring back fragments, so our > discussions become > fragmented. The shaman attempts to bridge the upper > and below and > traditionally the conductive action is through art, > through non verbal > communication: transcendent and resplendent and > utterly incomprehensible to > those not treading a nearby path. > > And of me? i create community instead, in my limited > daily view. i aim to > "be" what i intend and to be to the best of my > ability. > The future could go so many ways and yet we can only > speak from our > personal convictions. My conviction, shewn to me by > a teacher of vegetal > character, was one of union with the other: a return > to the past by > escaping to the future, where these "technologies" > we have created will > seem like toys: a preparation for the real deal. If > nature can create > these technologies (through our species) from a > dimension of thought (where > all things reside until we bring them into being > through our material > efforts), then what of our trips? Imagine the > complexities of what could > "be" when we merge with this higher dimensional > reality. > We cannot anticipate what will be: just as we cannot > anticipate the content > of the vegetal voyage prior to departure. > > >usually a mystical or meta-phisical model for > reality > >is used to cope with reality before it is > discovered > >as a scientific realm of factual exploration. So > we > >do we have any new metaphisical models or maps? > myths > >even? or is the amount of unkown and mysterious > >exactly what is accelerating so exponentially? > > Patience is the only way: we have to unhook > ourselves from the pace-car: > else be smushed > > >The weirdest thing around human consciousness right > >now is DMT and trypatamine entheogens. the > >implications of what we experience on these > compounds > >is ridiculously incredible. > >I understand patience is high virtue, but what the > >fuck? i read the reports DMT trips on websites, > >Strassman's book, friends,, what the hell is going > on? > > If it always feels 'more real than real' then can > we > >start to piece some of these things together? like > >get a plot going or something. > > this is the final readout, all is underway. > I'm hoping we will all be drawn together by > inevitability: death at the > worst (though that's not such a bad thing, once you > get to see the other > side): within our lifetimes at best. > > >contemporary > >myth-structure might be a good tool to use against > the > >language problem, > > > a new language is forming: the precursor to an > evolutionary metamorphosis > > >people used to create mythology > >because they couldn't understand things like > >lightning, the Sun, biology, but when science came > in > >and took the place of myth and religion, we thought > we > >knew it all, except for that little problem of > >everything (creation and infinity) so we made one > big > >god to sit in the throne of the unknowable(infinite > & > >everything), but now the diverse influx of mystery > is > >back and coming on strong,, "fractals, computers, > >quarks, black holes, inhabited Paralel dimensions > for > >chrissakes! > > from a distance, it's all beautiful > > >so psychedelics are healing (really nice word), > >entheogens are illuminating, and tryptamines will > show > >you a place where insect aliens with a sense of > humor > >we all wish we had are performing psche-somatic > >operations on us with morphing tools of living > >technology,, but when we do go through the > stunning > >beauty of hyperdimensional geometry and face the > >beings eyes to eyes, what do they tell you? what do > >they teach you? what do they show you? > > many things to me: many more to others here. > > For me: a community, a tranquility, terrible things > in the world at large, > a new energy, a new language, a new relationship to > nature: like a > bio-augmented reality interface, new ways of living, > not based on > capitalism but cooperation, externalised material > creation, a new > technology, the union of afterlife with life in > projection chambers, the > refraction of dimensions and ultimately the > inheritance of the earth by > those who refused to judge the world before it came > "down on them". > > you did ask Now I'm greatful that I did!! > > > >no, seriously, anyone care to share? > >to be continued? > > i wish i had posted the earlier attempts to respond, > but so much i say is > crass: words are empty. *This* is why we need the > plant teachers, why we > need to "listen" to what they have to tell us. > Although it's a while since > i partook, i note the Other always places the > teachers in my life whenever > i need them and not unless. Within my city mary > jane is popular and she > whispers sweet things in my ears daily - continuing > the communication from > the continuum. I treat my time with her as > precious, for she feeds me more > than i can comprehend. There are other conduits: I > even hear my Gran and > Terence, departed friends and the life and lives > around me speak to me as > well, but without the plants: i cannot let go enough > to decipher their > meaning or even recognise i'm being spoken to. > > > >-Evan > > > seek the plants: they have something interesting to > tell you > > > >ps i feel like Cartman when he says, "I love you > guys" > >(because I do:) > > i'm British i don't do that sort of thing, sorry old > chap ;) > > C-ya ! > > J.*A*.G > =8¬~ > > ---------- > "...and i will raise up for them a plant of > reknown." Ezekiel 34 v29 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 17:55:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta317.mail.yahoo.com (mta317.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.107.49]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f62NtmH10157 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:55:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta317.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 16:55:18 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta317.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 16:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A8F41640068; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:51:16 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.81.75.213]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010702235504.EBAR1777.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer> for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 23:55:04 +0000 From: "webdriver" To: Subject: EE: Ecstasy - Dr. Charles S. Grob Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:52:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7e.17381a86.287241a0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO >From the Feb 2001 Ecstasy conference, the person most involved (and who is cited frequently on MAPS) with the study of Ecstasy is Dr. Charles S. Grob. He is pretty critical of Ricuarte's study design and validity as are other professionals in the know from MAPS. In this month's Clinical Psychiatry News (June, 2001) there is an article on page 17 with the heading - "Public Disapproval Discourages Ecstasy Drug Study - May Hold Therapeutic Value". I can't find Psychiatry News on the web anywhere to give you a link, but I'll summarize here. The article sites Dr. Grob as telling the American Society of Addiction Mediicine that "Anecdotal evidence suggests that the drug's empathogenic and mild euphoric effects might ease the physical pain and emotional dysphoria associated with terminal illness; treat phobias, depression and posttraumatic stress disorder; and perhaps even help patients trying to overcome dependence on other drugs" Further, he is reported in the article by Norra Macready, to have said "the public opprobrium and political reluctance to approve funding for research is making it hard to pursue objective studies on the beneficial effects of MDMA. Currently no research is planned." Dr. Grob also stresses, "Claims that the drug is neurotoxic are based on studies marred by poor design, inadequately matched controls, and reports of statistical manipulation." Dr. Charles S. Grob is Director of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Torrance, California. Here is a January, 2001 article on the web I was able to locate by doing a Yahoo search of his name. http://www.clubct.com/news2.htm Therapeutic Ecstasy use debated at conference - 2/3/01 By Josh Richman STAFF WRITER SAN FRANCISCO -- Hysteria and fear are poor foundations for sound drug policy, experts at a national conference on MDMA -- commonly known as "Ecstasy" -- said Friday. Most speakers at the conference, attended by about 300 people at the Presidio's Golden Gate Club, called for scientific research into MDMA's therapeutic uses, most likely as an aid to psychotherapy for patients dealing with stress from trauma or terminal illness. Some see the drug, which produces a feeling of well-being and empathy with others, as a possible alternative to anti-depressants such as Prozac or Zoloft. Some psychotherapists prescribed it in the late 1970s and early 1980s, but since 1986, MDMA has been on the government's list of most restricted drugs -- with neighbors including marijuana, heroin and LSD -- allowing no further research or use. Still, its popularity as a recreational drug has exploded, particularly among young people; many have deemed it a "rave drug," as it's often found at rave dance parties. Medical and research experts here Friday said the public has been flooded with stories -- many of them biased or just false -- about the drug sending people to hospitals, sometimes fatally. But science has yet to weigh in. While some doctors believe MDMA is too dangerous for any human use, most of those attending the forum believe research would prove otherwise. Dr. Charles S. Grob of the University of California, Los Angeles, conducted the first Food and Drug Administration-approved study of MDMA's effects on humans in the mid-1990s, but said the government has not approved further studies. "There's a major public health crisis right now," he said of uncontrolled rave drug use by youths, but that shouldn't preclude further MDMA research. Much of what youths call "Ecstasy" isn't pure MDMA at all, he said, but instead a dose of the drug heavily adulterated -- or in some cases, completely replaced -- with other, often more dangerous substances. And criminalizing all MDMA research and use isn't keeping it out of youths' hands, he noted; the drug could be better controlled if it were decriminalized, medicalized and heavily regulated. Rick Doblin, founder and president of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, said medicinal-sized doses of MDMA haven't been shown to cause any harm to brain cells or other organs. Emanuel Sferios founded and directs DanceSafe, an Oakland-based nonprofit promoting health and safety at raves and nightclubs; among other services, it offers pill testing at raves to ensure that what people are about to take really is MDMA, and not something else more dangerous sold to them under the name "Ecstasy." "We need to look at all the factors before we put blame only on the drug," he said, explaining that most of the illnesses and occasional deaths attributed to "Ecstasy" weren't due to MDMA at all, but rather to other drugs or to rave conditions such as overcrowding, high temperatures and dehydration. San Francisco city officials have adopted policies regulating rave conditions, and East Bay promoters have adopted many of them voluntarily, he added. The conference was hosted by the San Francisco Medical Society and The Lindesmith Center-Drug Policy Foundation, a nonprofit organization aimed at moving drug policy away from a criminal justice emphasis and toward education and treatment. The organization is funded by George Soros, a financier who helped underwrite California's medical marijuana and drug court ballot initiatives. Conference co-sponsors included the San Francisco Public Health Department and District Attorney. From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 17:58:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta430.mail.yahoo.com (mta430.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.85]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f62NwvH10382 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta430.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 16:58:57 2001 -0700 X-Track: 3: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta430.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 16:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.224] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9D54400C8; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:55:01 -0400 Message-ID: <20010702235851.91349.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.191.122.160] by web12601.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:58:51 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Subject: Re: EE: Web Site Update ~ More Where Bees To: e.e@visionplants.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010702170600.007279d4@mail.wf.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO You should link names with the locations, otherwise what's the point? It would a nice resource for traveling or just to find out who lives close. --- Chaffyn wrote: > . > === > http://www.wf.net/~aardvark/ee/wheree/wee_bee.htm > === > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 18:04:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta420.mail.yahoo.com (mta420.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.66]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6304ZH10809 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:04:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta420.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 17:04:31 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta420.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 17:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9E44900C8; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:55:16 -0400 Received: from vajrastar (A040-0875.PHL2.splitrock.net [209.255.216.113]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f62Nx5t153218 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:59:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c10353$a507b840$71d8ffd1@vajrastar> From: "controlled folly" To: Subject: EE: Morristown, NJ (Where Wee Bee) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:03:51 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO it says "morristown, nj" in addition to princeton, nj. i believe there is actually no one who is presently on this list who resides in morristown, nj. if i am wrong, please, you, stand up and be counted. http://www.wf.net/~aardvark/ee/wheree/wee_bee.htm From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 18:07:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta545.mail.yahoo.com (mta545.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.27]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6307EH11042 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:07:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta545.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 17:07:14 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta545.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 17:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.95] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id ABC51B50068; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:03:17 -0400 Message-ID: <20010703000706.38773.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.57.129.240] by web10403.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:07:06 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Johnson Subject: Re: EE: Web Site Update ~ More Where Bees To: e.e@visionplants.org In-Reply-To: <20010702235851.91349.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Evan- feel free to ask if your ever have travel plans. That's what most list members have done. I think we have all of Texas covered, Houston, Austin, Dallas, and the infamous "north texas" ;) maybe one day we can get an EE meet on here in our glorious state! Always, Dawn --- Evan wrote: > You should link names with the locations, otherwise > what's the point? It would a nice resource for > traveling or just to find out who lives close. > > --- Chaffyn wrote: > > . > > === > > http://www.wf.net/~aardvark/ee/wheree/wee_bee.htm > > === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 18:10:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta491.mail.yahoo.com (mta491.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.199]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f630AIH11284 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta491.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 17:10:12 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta491.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 17:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.57] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC781CD0068; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:06:16 -0400 Received: from satan ([24.116.34.177]) by mail3.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:09:24 -0700 Message-ID: <04c901c10357$5e838440$91227418@satan> From: "Rev. Rob" To: References: <000501c10353$a507b840$71d8ffd1@vajrastar> Subject: EE: UFO's Over Roswell Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:30:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Dear All, I am getting ready for the annual UFO shin-dig down here. We are (a friend and I) making a Starship NCC 1701 Enterprise that actually flies for the rc UFO fly in. People design and build their UFO's and we have a contest this year judged by Stanton Friedman on which would most likely re-open Blue Book. I have a feeling that the Enterprise will do it. Next year I will enter a Klingon battleship (TOS) and a Tie-Fighter (Star Wars - most likely Darth Vader's). Anyway, when we are done I will post pictures on my web page for anyone interested, and will include pics of it flying! Should look wild! I have already figured out the Klingon ship as far are actual flight and landings go and pretty much designed the Tie-Fighter but I didn't have time to build them. Next year there will be a dog-sight with theEnterprise and a Klingon ship (the Klingon will win because I am a better pilot than my friend unless he surpasses me in ability over the next year which is always possible). Shalom, Robert Rev. Rob's World: Kabbalah, UFOs, Roswell, New Mexico, Weddings Done www.foursacreddirections.com/shaman other interests: www.foursacreddirections.com Within the Hatter's madness can the Truth be found, for what is Truth if seen as madness, by those all around. "As the sphere of knowledge expands the surface area of ignorance grows larger.... you can't do anything about that" --Terence McKenna From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 18:11:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta455.mail.yahoo.com (mta455.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.120]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f630BSH11385 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:11:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta455.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 17:11:27 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta455.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 17:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.57] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ACC31DA0068; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:07:31 -0400 Received: from satan ([24.116.34.177]) by mail3.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:10:39 -0700 Message-ID: <04cf01c10357$8af90c20$91227418@satan> From: "Rev. Rob" To: References: <20010703000706.38773.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EE: Web Site Update ~ More Where Bees Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:31:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Dear Dawn, I am in Roswell NM about 50 miles from the TX border as a crow flies. Let me know when and what is up! Shalom, Robert Rev. Rob's World: Kabbalah, UFOs, Roswell, New Mexico, Weddings Done www.foursacreddirections.com/shaman other interests: www.foursacreddirections.com Within the Hatter's madness can the Truth be found, for what is Truth if seen as madness, by those all around. "As the sphere of knowledge expands the surface area of ignorance grows larger.... you can't do anything about that" --Terence McKenna From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 18:46:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta459.mail.yahoo.com (mta459.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.124]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f630kpH14187 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:46:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta459.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 17:46:50 2001 -0700 X-Track: 4: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta459.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 17:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.229] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A50E2BA0068; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:42:54 -0400 Message-ID: <20010703004643.89303.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.191.122.160] by web12606.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:46:43 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Subject: Re: EE: NYC? (More Where Bees To: e.e@visionplants.org In-Reply-To: <20010703000706.38773.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO So who hEEr lives in NYC? or visits frequently? -Evan --- Dawn Johnson wrote: > Evan- feel free to ask if your ever have travel > plans. That's what > most list members have done. > > I think we have all of Texas covered, Houston, > Austin, Dallas, and > the infamous "north texas" ;) > > maybe one day we can get an EE meet on here in our > glorious state! > > Always, > Dawn > > --- Evan wrote: > > You should link names with the locations, > otherwise > > what's the point? It would a nice resource for > > traveling or just to find out who lives close. > > > > --- Chaffyn wrote: > > > . > > > === > > > > http://www.wf.net/~aardvark/ee/wheree/wee_bee.htm > > > === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 18:58:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta573.mail.yahoo.com (mta573.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.102]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f630wFH14943 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:58:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta573.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 17:58:11 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta573.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 17:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.windmill-lane.com [205.147.19.2] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7B7C500CA; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:54:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 14558 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2001 01:02:22 -0000 Received: from nage.windmill-lane.com (HELO ?192.168.10.35?) (192.168.10.35) by grief.windmill-lane.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2001 01:02:22 -0000 X-Sender: nage@grief.windmill-lane.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010703004643.89303.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010703000706.38773.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:00:36 -0700 To: e.e@visionplants.org From: nage Subject: Re: EE:(More Where Bees Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Anyone near Tipton, Iowa? apparently a 30 min. drive north of Cedar Rapids... anyone . . . anyone . . . anyone . . . -Nage http://www.delinquentfilms.com http://www.windmill-lane.com http://www.delinquentfilms.com http://www.windmill-lane.com From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 20:11:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta515.mail.yahoo.com (mta515.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.254]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f632BoH20590 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta515.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 19:11:49 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta515.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 19:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.intergate.ca [207.34.179.108] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A8F928B00CA; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:07:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 91848 invoked by uid 1007); 3 Jul 2001 02:27:14 -0000 Received: from revmed@intergate.ca by hermes.intergate.ca with qmail-scanner-0.93 (uvscan: v4.0.50/v4145. . Clean. Processed in 0.394853 secs); 02/07/2001 19:27:13 Received: from gateway-208.181.239.85.intergate.ca (HELO oemcomputer) (208.181.239.85) by hermes.intergate.ca with SMTP; 3 Jul 2001 02:27:13 -0000 From: "\(r\)evolution" To: Subject: RE: EE: NYC? (More Where Bees Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:46:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c10364$98706440$25efb5d0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010703004643.89303.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Lava, who hasn't appeared on this list in months, is a friend in New York. -----Original Message----- From: e.e-owner@visionplants.org [mailto:e.e-owner@visionplants.org]On Behalf Of Evan Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:47 PM To: e.e@visionplants.org Subject: Re: EE: NYC? (More Where Bees So who hEEr lives in NYC? or visits frequently? -Evan --- Dawn Johnson wrote: > Evan- feel free to ask if your ever have travel > plans. That's what > most list members have done. > > I think we have all of Texas covered, Houston, > Austin, Dallas, and > the infamous "north texas" ;) > > maybe one day we can get an EE meet on here in our > glorious state! > > Always, > Dawn > > --- Evan wrote: > > You should link names with the locations, > otherwise > > what's the point? It would a nice resource for > > traveling or just to find out who lives close. > > > > --- Chaffyn wrote: > > > . > > > === > > > > http://www.wf.net/~aardvark/ee/wheree/wee_bee.htm > > > === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Mon Jul 2 23:42:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta451.mail.yahoo.com (mta451.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.116]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f635gIH36094 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 23:42:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta451.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 2 22:42:17 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta451.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2001 22:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA4E53C005A; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 01:38:22 -0400 Received: from CALYK@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id a.36.181a51d9 (3738) for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 01:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: CALYK@aol.com Message-ID: <36.181a51d9.2872b52f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 01:42:07 EDT Subject: Re: EE:(More Where Bees To: e.e@visionplants.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO im in Houston, Texas.... looks like im alone though, except for the person in North Texas... im guessing either they live in Denton, or Dallas.... who art thou? Danny From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 02:14:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta574.mail.yahoo.com (mta574.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.103]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f638E8H44861 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta574.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 01:14:03 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta574.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 01:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.125] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ADDE8E2005A; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 04:10:06 -0400 Received: from adnsvo63fs8rww9.cableinet.co.uk ([62.31.24.43]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:16:09 +0100 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010703091044.038d0d88@pop.cableinet.co.uk> X-Sender: jgys01806@pop.cableinet.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:13:24 +0100 To: ee-digest From: Jim Gilliland Subject: Re: EE: There is no final techno-entheo truth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail2.thuntek.net id f638E8H44861 Status: RO High again Evan > > you did ask > > >Now I'm greatful that I did!! > > > > > > > > >no, seriously, anyone care to share? > > >to be continued? > > more to follow, if you stay around long enuf "the price of immortality is death" anon C-ya ! J.*A*.G =8¬! ---------- {smokin!} From 2056761@bounce.zooba.com Tue Jul 3 03:59:58 2001 Return-Path: <2056761@bounce.zooba.com> Received: from zoobmail001.zooba.com (zoobmail001.zooba.com [216.251.240.35]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f639xwH49268 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 03:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 2056761@bounce.zooba.com) Message-Id: <200107030959.f639xwH49268@mail2.thuntek.net> Received: from zoobapp003 (10.208.83.166) by zoobmail001.zooba.com (PowerMTA(TM) v1.0); Tue, 3 Jul 2001 05:59:51 -0400 (envelope-from <2056761@bounce.zooba.com>) From: Zooba Ancient & Medieval History To: valor@global-dialog.org Subject: A Barmaid Becomes Empress, and then Saint Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:59:51 X-Mailer: ZSMTPConnection v1.0 Reply-To: support@zooba.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO It's time for another "Ancient & Medieval History" email on "A Barmaid Becomes Empress, and then Saint" (text version below). A Barmaid Becomes Empress, and then Saint To access this email in an enriched format, just follow these steps: 1.) If you cannot click on the link, highlight and copy this http://www.zooba.com/email.asp?u=2056761&c=17&d=928&t=7/3/01&p=1 2.) Then, open your internet browser, paste the link into the browser's address line and go! ________________________________________________________________________________ In the Roman empire of third century AD, stabularia, or barmaids, were little above prostitutes in social status. Roman soldiers might seek a night's comfort, a mistress, or a "frontier wife" from among the stabularia ranks. Helena (c. AD 250-c. 330) was a pretty stabularia, and her young customer, Constantius Chlorus, was a pale-skinned Roman general who fell deeply in love with her and took her as his mistress. Constantius later became the Roman Emperor Constantius I (AD 305-306), credited with establishing Christianity as the dominant Western religion. And following her death circa AD 330, the pretty barmaid became St. Helena, the Greek Orthodox Church's most honored saint. Constantius and Helena spent 19 years together and produced a son, Constantine. Constantius was forced by his patron, the Emperor Maximanius, to forsake Helena and their new son and marry the emperor's stepdaughter, Theodora. Constantine was sent away to be raised, leaving Helena alone. But the boy never forgot his mother. When Constantine became emperor upon the death of his father in AD 306, Helena was summoned to the imperial court in Rome, where Constantine ordered coins minted bearing her likeness, bestowed the title of "Nobilissima Femina" (Most Honored Noble Lady) on her, and witnessed her conversion to Christianity. Helena was revered throughout the empire for her acts of charity and kindness, and for her devoutness. Nearly 80 years old, she set out on a pilgrimage to Palestine, where she discovered a cross in the earth of Calvary. 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Click here to go to your account From 2056761@bounce.zooba.com Tue Jul 3 04:57:46 2001 Return-Path: <2056761@bounce.zooba.com> Received: from zoobmail001.zooba.com (zoobmail001.zooba.com [216.251.240.35]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f63AvjH51702 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 04:57:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 2056761@bounce.zooba.com) Message-Id: <200107031057.f63AvjH51702@mail2.thuntek.net> Received: from zoobapp003 (10.208.83.166) by zoobmail001.zooba.com (PowerMTA(TM) v1.0); Tue, 3 Jul 2001 06:57:44 -0400 (envelope-from <2056761@bounce.zooba.com>) From: Zooba Events of the Year To: valor@global-dialog.org Subject: Fireworks: An Explosive Chinese Recipe Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 10:57:44 X-Mailer: ZSMTPConnection v1.0 Reply-To: support@zooba.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO It's time for another "Events of the Year" email on "Fireworks: An Explosive Chinese Recipe" (text version below). 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Click here to go to your account From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 05:52:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta452.mail.yahoo.com (mta452.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.117]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63BqJH54673 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 05:52:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta452.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 04:52:18 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta452.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 04:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A10591B00CA; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 07:48:21 -0400 Received: from [63.20.94.182] (1Cust125.tnt5.albuquerque.nm.da.uu.net [63.21.3.125]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14188 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 04:51:59 -0700 (PDT) From: davoid48@mail.earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c10353$a507b840$71d8ffd1@vajrastar> References: <000501c10353$a507b840$71d8ffd1@vajrastar> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:00:54 -0600 To: e.e@visionplants.org Subject: EE: Download this Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Napster has abandoned us Mac Users. As far as I can tell, it now works only with Napster software version 2.0 (available only for Windoze). The new software, I think, allows Napster, Inc. to filter out all commercial material at will. mEEnwhile I've done an anthropogical EEnvestigation of the Novelty Lifeboat the last three days. Caught this URL of "Terence McKenna media downloads": http://www.elftrance.com/mckenna.htm Tons of Terence MP3 and real audio files to download. kewl animated gifs too BYOB: Bring your own broadband -- From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 06:13:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta531.mail.yahoo.com (mta531.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.203]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63CDcH55934 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 06:13:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta531.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 05:13:32 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta531.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 05:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.93] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A6009A500CA; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 08:09:36 -0400 Message-ID: <20010703121326.51339.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.68.131.109] by web10401.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 05:13:26 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 05:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Johnson Subject: Re: EE:(More Where Bees To: e.e@visionplants.org In-Reply-To: <36.181a51d9.2872b52f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO not alone Danny- I'm in Dallas and lurking Zonk is in Austin. Always, Dawn --- CALYK@aol.com wrote: > im in Houston, Texas.... > > looks like im alone though, except for the person in North Texas... > im > guessing either they live in Denton, or Dallas.... who art thou? > > Danny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 07:48:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta407.mail.yahoo.com (mta407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.59]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63DmMH62132 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:48:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta407.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 06:48:21 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta407.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 06:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.datasync.com [205.216.82.35] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC37BF000CA; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:44:23 -0400 Received: from [208.164.152.40] (msp10-40.datasync.com [208.164.152.40]) by mail.datasync.com (8.9.3/8.9.3+Datasync) with ESMTP id IAA32462 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:48:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: belle@mail.ametro.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000501c10353$a507b840$71d8ffd1@vajrastar> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:48:10 -0500 To: e.e@visionplants.org From: Belle Subject: Re: EE: Download this Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Davoid gave heads up... thanks... and thanks for the Terence material!!! >Napster has abandoned us Mac Users. As far as I can tell, it now >works only with Napster software version 2.0 (available only for >Windoze). The new software, I think, allows Napster, Inc. to filter >out all commercial material at will. > Then synchronicty stikes again... just got this from a friend today.. At 5:39 AM -0700 7/3/01, W wrote: > >Here's the newest Napster for Mac. Just released last week. > >http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=9124 I downloaded it and it's working on my Mac... From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 08:15:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta494.mail.yahoo.com (mta494.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.202]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63EF8H64258 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:15:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta494.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 07:15:02 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta494.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 07:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.35] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A278C9300CA; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 10:11:04 -0400 Received: from [208.25.58.137] (208-25-58-137.stk.inreach.net [208.25.58.137]) by smtp.inreach.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f63EEqE29535 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:14:53 -0700 X-Sender: spanda@pop3.inreach.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:14:29 -0700 To: e.e@visionplants.org From: spanda@inreach.com Subject: EE: June UFO reports Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO http://www.msatech.com/nuforc/webreports/ndxe200106.html From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 10:07:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta309.mail.yahoo.com (mta309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.108]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63G7vH75483 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta309.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 09:07:56 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta309.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 09:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imsp073.netvigator.com [205.252.144.130] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ACD7F5900CA; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:03:35 -0400 Received: from r4y5i7 (pcd146172.netvigator.com [203.198.121.172]) by imsp073.netvigator.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA26019 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 00:07:20 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <004f01c103da$2cbca940$aff4fea9@r4y5i7> From: "Tony Giles" To: References: <20010702235851.91349.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EE: Web Site Update ~ More Where Bees Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 00:06:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Evan: > You should link names with the locations, otherwise > what's the point? It would a nice resource for > traveling or just to find out who lives close. Or for the narc squad to come and get ya! Fat Tony ===(} Anyone got a doughnut? From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 11:02:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta447.mail.yahoo.com (mta447.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.102]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63H23H81303 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:02:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta447.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 10:02:02 2001 -0700 X-Track: -40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta447.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wf.net [64.57.224.7] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A99DFC0258; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:58:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 24790 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 12:01:51 -0500 Received: from pm1-16.dialup.wf.net (HELO goldcoat) (64.57.225.223) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 3 Jul 2001 12:01:51 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010703115926.0103ad5c@mail.wf.net> Aerie: Moon Arbor Anthropaean: Holotropic Hymn of Heliolotry X-Sender: aardvark@mail.wf.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 11:59:26 -0500 To: e.e@visionplants.org From: Chaffyn Subject: EE: Web Site Update ~ One more Wee Bee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO . === http://www.wf.net/~aardvark/ee/wheree/wee_bee.htm === From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 12:46:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta404.mail.yahoo.com (mta404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.56]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63IkQH91771 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:46:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta404.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 11:46:25 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta404.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 11:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.144.17] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A215D5002C; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:42:29 -0400 Received: from aha406.ccs.itd.umich.edu (aha406.ccs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.121.0]) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with ESMTP id OAA10355 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:46:20 -0400 (EDT) From: jwickerh@umich.edu Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:46:55 -0400 To: e.e@visionplants.org Subject: EE: taking off Message-ID: <2034170266.994171615@aha406.ccs.itd.umich.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Hey ee'ers. I've been a lurker lately, but have enjoyed reading all of your adventures. There has come a time in my when I must let some things go. I just don't have time for this adventure anymore. I'll still be a part-time psychonaut, but I need to be a full-time student right now. I'm leaving for Mexico for two months to study spanish and get a taste of a different culture (hopefully one that is less uptight) and can't have my inbox flooded anymore. Please take me off this list. May the all of your adventures find you basking in the grandeur of the mystery. my best, ~josh From breanne@santafe.edu Tue Jul 3 13:13:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pele.santafe.edu (pele.santafe.edu [192.12.12.119]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f63JDZH94363 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from breanne@santafe.edu) Received: from isleta (isleta [192.12.12.44]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18251; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:13:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:13:29 -0600 (MDT) From: breanne To: Valerie , valor@santafe.edu Subject: apples Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Hey Valerie! I'm assuming that you're checking your e-mail in Florida, so I thought I'd update you. I found the original article on organic apple farming being better than conventional methods. It turned up to be in an issue of Nature from this year. I have a copy of it now, and several other articles about the same thing, which might be commenting on the Nature article or be about different studies entirely. I haven't read any of them yet, but I will soon and I'll give you the good ones to read too. Hope you are having a good time in Florida and things aren't too dramatic and crazy...:) Last night I saw Jim talk at St. John's about biological scale and the size of organisms as it relates to their function. 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--==_MIME-Boundary-1_==-- --==_MIME-Boundary-1_==-- From sfguu4658@agt.net Tue Jul 3 13:32:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout1.telus.net [199.185.220.236]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f63JWtH96469 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:32:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfguu4658@agt.net) Received: from agt.net ([161.184.19.148]) by priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20010703193249.DXKQ2296.priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net@agt.net> for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:32:49 -0600 Message-ID: <3B421DE0.73E00686@agt.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:32:48 -0600 From: Gerry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valerie Subject: Re: heya :) References: <3B23D3F6.38885012@powernethk.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010611151847.02e6ed98@pop.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010618090458.045191a8@mail.thuntek.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20010620091827.02d9cdb0@mail.thuntek.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20010620125948.04321470@mail.thuntek.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20010629105704.03e8d2f0@mail.thuntek.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20010702103549.02cf2c08@mail.thuntek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Hey Xenic one! Valerie wrote: > Hey - just wanted to let you know, i got your message.. spent all weekend > redoing my office around a *great* and giant desk i got for $60... now i > look professional instead of all kluged together.. but now i have a couple > of deadlines, and head out on a plane for my (last!) trip to florida.. > trying to transit my interaction with donut impeccably... Good luck luck with that sorceror woman. ( I always liked the Castenada idea of 'doing' impeccably... very much like the Taoist non-doing.. wu wei.. ) > > so.. i am gonna get to this, it might jsut take a wee bit longer... > > how's it going??? are you up for hanging out in some forums here soon? Yep I think I should start to have more time for doing more soon. > love, > valerie > > p.s. the august thing is taking a different kind of shape than i thought.. > it is looking like it is only going to be my closest friends (about 8 > people) AND mostly males.. given that i recently switched to the online > nick 'isis' (without thinking about any of this) it is beginning to look > like we are going to be working on issues of maleness, trust, hierarchy, > vulnerability and the gathering of all parts of the male from the > underworld to make them whole. I include myself in this of course.. my male > aspect also needs healing. and on thinking about this, it makes total > sense, in that for group dynamics to really work, men have to grow to trust > one another and we have to figure out how to relinquish the distrust and > the struggle for power seen in most groups. I trust this group to be able > to do this.. so whew!! Nice metaphor... Isis re-membering Osiris after his brother Set chopped him up. We have all been fragmented by the dominator paradigm it seems. Are you going to get Thoth to stop time for you while you gather up the pieces? lol Synchronously I just recently brought up that myth on arch-rev. love and hugs, Gerry From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:45:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta521.mail.yahoo.com (mta521.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.135]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LjtH09930 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:45:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:45:53 2001 Received: from mta521.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:45:54 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta521.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16085; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032144.RAA16085@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:50:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Subject: EE: Enehn Dmitri To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <200106060404.AAA11043@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Enehn Dmitri is doing a cross-country tour! If you would like him to show up in yuor home town or arrange personal meetings, contact me personally: evan@shpongle.com ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- EE E E at Clear White Light dot Org: Become touched by the Light! hopefully... From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:46:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta405.mail.yahoo.com (mta405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.57]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LjxH09937 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:45:56 2001 Received: from mta405.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:45:56 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta405.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA09774; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032144.RAA09774@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Tony Giles" To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) References: <20010606190234.ELDU8055.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Subject: EE: Better late than never Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:14:53 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Here's an earlier post of mine that never made it to the list: The Rev Reb Rob wrote: > This group is very open-minded in so many ways, but as soon as > someone professes a religious preference you can hear the minds > slamming shut. Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, Rob, as ever. And my comments are not directed at any specific person, whether natural or corporate. Comment: I've seen a whole lotta folks in my sojourn on this planet who call themselves religious because they have been seduced into believing that a particular set of beliefs and practices (hereinafter referred to as "religion") is The One True Way to God. The incorporated owners of these "religions" set out their catechisms and declarations of credo, establish taboos and shibboleths. Anyone who seeks to join the congregation must affirm -- whether formally or informally -- hir commitment to adopt all of these as sacred principles by which hir life is to be guided. Each "Ultimate Truth" which all these "religions" lay claim to own was invariably either handed down from some ancient teacher or stems from the minutes of a Great Prophet's meeting with God. But they are all in disagreement, else they would be one. The one uniting characteristic of the "religions" is that their clinging to ancient teachings, beliefs and traditions makes them Konservative (upper-case K intended, for effekt!). They are bound to those core beliefs and values which define them and cannot acknowledge the greatest truth: that All is Change. If mention of "religion" on this list meets with an indifferent or argumentative response, what you hear, dear Robert, is not the sound of "minds slamming shut" but that of doors and windows being thrown open to let in the air and light of truth and to clear away the stagnant stench of dogma. The entheogenic experience that we share has taught most of us that "it's just not like that". That's my two cents' worth. Love Fat Tony ===(} --- EE E E at Clear White Light dot Org: Become touched by the Light! hopefully... From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:46:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta425.mail.yahoo.com (mta425.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.80]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LkHH09965 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:46:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:46:16 2001 Received: from mta425.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:46:16 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta425.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04923; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032144.RAA04923@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org From: "webdriver" To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) Subject: EE: RE: notice the book noah was reading as he munched his cereal this morn ! Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:06:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200106061625.MAA23534@blount.mail.mindspring.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi there toadster, >>Anyway, to me, the existence of a movie and book such as these is evidence that we are moving in "that" direction, << Yes, agreed! That is the direction we're moving. That's what was so cool about Terence. He could see it happening. The movies, the games, the plots, the ideas... are all moving toward exteriorizing the imagination, and interior-i-zing mundane reality. Cronnenburg's "eXistenZ", the movie was pretty low budget, but still good and definitely a cult classic. The low-tech (at least in FX) production with a high tech plot gives much of the same tone that some of his others like "Army of Darkness" (and all the sequel's to it) give. Great, far out, entertainment, IMO. >>Anyway, to me, the existence of a movie and book such as these is evidence that we are moving in "that" direction, or some direction (if there is a direction).<< And other recent films tend to support your idea too. "Matrix" "Truman Show" "Fight Club" "What Dreams May Come" "13th Floor" "Terminator - T-2" In my opinion, as well, A-I is coming.. it's only a matter of time that we'll see enough complexity and enough iterations folded back on themselves will produce outcroppings of new, and different types of consciousness. Emergent properties will spring into being and a boundary will dissolve and the conscious machine will pop into being. I'm not sure whether the machine will be benevolent or malevolent, but I just can't see this whole (what McKenna termed) collapse into history on the planet going in any other direction... that is, unless we don't survive the collapse into history because we kill ourselves off. Anyway, I'm anxiously awaiting "AI" (the movie) Spielberg has coming out. It sounds fascinating to me. As Terence mentioned, "There's still a lot of shit to fly through". love, light and peace, webdriver :-) --- EE E E at Clear White Light dot Org: Become touched by the Light! hopefully... From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:46:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta550.mail.yahoo.com (mta550.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.15]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LkTH09979 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:46:27 2001 Received: from mta550.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:46:28 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta550.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25369; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032144.RAA25369@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org From: "Webdriver" To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) Subject: EE: technology crash Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 06:21:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Zonk & EEasy people, >> I like thousands of others in Austin Texas am now a victim of the technology crash. Perhaps its time to get the hell out of the tech industry.<< Along this same thread, here's a new report on how the internet trend is evolving. Indeed, the boom is shrinking, consolidating, re-organizing as major media and marketing concerns take control to increase our dependence on "thingdom". love, light and peace, webdriver :-) Net grows and shrinks dramatically ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2769009,00.html By Gwendolyn Mariano Special to ZDNet June 5, 2001 5:00 AM PT Net surfers spend about 60 percent of their time online using products and services owned by just 14 companies, down from 110 companies merely two years ago, according to a report released Monday. As further evidence of the rapid consolidation in the Net sector, the report by Jupiter Media Metrix also found that 50 percent of Internet usage is spent on sites and services owned by just four companies: AOL Time Warner, Microsoft, Yahoo and Napster. "We all know companies have gone out of business, and we know that there's been an incredible amount of acquisitions that have gone down," said Mark Mooradian, a senior analyst at Jupiter. "What was surprising is just how striking the difference was in such a short period of time." In March 2000, for example, 60 percent of Web user minutes was stretched between 40 companies. As that number dropped to 14 companies in March 2001, most sites came from a blend of traditional media companies, interactive companies and companies that traditional media partly owned or controlled, including Juno Online Services, eBay, the Excite Network, iWon and Lycos. In a narrower look, the number of companies controlling 50 percent of Web user minutes online declined by nearly two-thirds, from 11 to four. AOL Time Warner hit the top of the list with 32 percent of the minutes, followed by Microsoft with 8 percent, Yahoo with 7 percent, and Napster with 4 percent. Two-thirds of AOL Time Warner's share, however, is derived from services such as instant messaging, e-mail and e-greetings. Such services were not included in the Microsoft or Yahoo figures. This consolidation highlights the numerous Internet marriages over the last two years. For instance, in October 1999, Excite@Home acquired online greeting card site Blue Mountain Arts for about $780 million in cash and stock. Then at the beginning of this year, America Online and Time Warner completed their historic merger. The report also draws attention to the increasing number of shutdowns. According to research and advisory company Webmergers, at least 55 Internet companies shut down in April, bringing the total to at least 435 casualties since January 2000. Webmergers added that of those 435 companies, nearly half of those, about 211 companies, fell in the first four months of 2001. Most of the shutdowns were e-commerce-related companies, but Webmergers said the Internet shakeout is beginning to affect other sectors, such as Internet consulting and Web access. "The Internet is not this slam-dunk poster child of just a vacation for deregulation," Jupiter's Mooradian said. "Yes, it offers diversity, but be aware that the majority of traffic is controlled by a very small number of companies." --- EE E E at Clear White Light dot Org: Become touched by the Light! hopefully... From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:46:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta521.mail.yahoo.com (mta521.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.135]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LkiH10005 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:46:43 2001 Received: from mta521.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:46:43 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta521.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05211; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032144.RAA05211@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> X-Sender: a5b43805@POP.telus.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 06:53:15 -0700 To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) From: Linda Rightmire Subject: EE: [fd. from Big-Medicine] 50 Simple subversive things...? Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Brer Big Medsters, Thanks to your exceptional excavational efforts, the Big Med message archives is already a fermentative corporate compost pit of the first order. Now how to exploit its suggestive fertility? Many activists here in the States have bemoaned the absence of an entry-level tactics text for those aggrieved by corporate power - something along the line of "50 Simple Things You Can Do To Quell The Corporate Coup." I would like to invite a chaotic brainstorm here on ideas for such a text - begged, borrowed or born from your readings, thoughts and slyest meditations. What could normally seditious citizens and students do to defy, disrupt or dispell Big Dominion? A farthing for thy fantasies... "Let us lift our vision high enough to dominate the problem." - - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin ********************************** If you find Big Medicine useful, please introduce your friends, and send them the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/big-medicine/join If you don't, send an email to: Big-Medicine-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- EE From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:46:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta311.mail.yahoo.com (mta311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.107.43]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LkvH10027 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:46:56 2001 Received: from mta311.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:46:56 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta311.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04449; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032145.RAA04449@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> X-Sender: a5b43805@POP.telus.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 08:55:27 -0700 To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) From: Linda Rightmire Subject: EE: Phanerothyme Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO >>.. recently added this rare pamphlet on religious uses of our Sacraments: http://www.luminist.org/Archives/phanerothyme.htm << I just now had a chance to read this. This is *GREAT*. Thanks, Dale. "Psychedelic" was a good word. A sick society has degraded its referent and thus the name. We need a new name and a new concept. So - phanerothyme, to make this mundane world sublime. But not, as some might think, to gain but a brief illusion of sublimity amidst a mundane world; but to perceive the true sublimity of creation and, in reverence and loyalty to what we have seen, to make our mundane selves sublime. - Lisa Bieberman --- EE E E at Clear White Light dot Org: Become touched by the Light! hopefully... From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:47:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta417.mail.yahoo.com (mta417.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.69]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63Ll5H10043 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:47:02 2001 Received: from mta417.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:47:03 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta417.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24803; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032145.RAA24803@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org From: "Webdriver" To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) Subject: EE: RE: A precedent set in Holland re Ayahuasca Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 04:06:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Jeff, >>But when the divine beings who are guiding our actions through our sacred beverage Santo Daime, indicate that they are willing to work for the wellbeing of the European people, even international druglaws are effectively put aside.<< Impressive! The Santo Daime beings would do well to focus efforts here in the USA now that Holland has accepted a sane approach toward the ayahuasca sacrament. The American people are in great need of wellbeing. Thanks for the report, Jeff! webdriver :-) --- EE From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:47:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta446.mail.yahoo.com (mta446.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.101]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LlCH10059 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:47:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:47:07 2001 Received: from mta446.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:47:07 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta446.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA09233; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032145.RAA09233@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> From: spanda@inreach.com X-Sender: spanda@pop3.inreach.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 08:55:27 -0700 To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) Subject: EE: D. McKenna online chat 010609-2100EDT Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Subject: Dennis McKenna Online Chat - Saturday June 9th 9PM EDT I thought some of you might be interested to know, that Spiritplants.com is hosting an upcoming guest chat featuring Dennis McKenna! For those of you who aren't familiar with his outstanding work in the fields of ethnopharmacology, psychedelics, hallucinogens, and countless others, I have excerpted portions of his bio below. The chat will take place on this upcoming Saturday, June 9th, at 9:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time (EDT)! You can access the chat room using the web chat page found at http://www.spiritplants.com/users/atreyu/chat.html or with any IRC client, configured to the following settings: server: irc.spiritplants.com ports: 6667, 6668, 6669, 7000 room: #spiritplants.com Dr McKenna will be speaking for at least an hour, giving a short lecture and answering any questions. Our last chat, with Dr. Rick Strassman, was a huge success, and brought in a crowd of more than 50 people. If you would like to get a flavor for how these chats run, a transcript of that event is available at http://www.spiritplants.com/guests/strassman.html For the last twenty-five years, Dennis McKenna has pursued the interdisciplinary study of ethnopharmacology and plant hallucinogens. He is co-author, with his brother Terence, of The Invisible Landscape: Mind, Hallucinogens, and the I Ching, a philosophical and metaphysical exploration of the ontological implications of psychedelic drugs which resulted from the two brothers' early investigations of Amazonian hallucinogens in 1971. He received his doctorate in 1984 from the University of British Columbia. His doctoral research focused on ethnopharmacological investigations of the botany, chemistry, and pharmacology of ayahuasca and oo-koo-he, two orally-active tryptamine-based hallucinogens used by indigenous peoples in the Northwest Amazon. Following the completion of his doctorate, Dr. Mckenna serves on the Advisory Board of the American Botanical Council, and on the Editorial Board of Phytomedicine, International Journal of Phytotherapy and Phytopharmacology. He is a founding board member and Vice-President of the Heffter Research Institute, a non-profit scientific organization dedicated to the investigation of therapeutic applications for psychedelic plants and compounds. He has also served as board member and Research Advisor to Botanical Dimensions, a non-profit organization dedicated to the investigation of ethnomedically significant plants. He was a primary organizer and key scientific collaborator for the Hoasca Project, an international biomedical study of Hoasca, a psychoactive drink used in ritual contexts by indigenous peoples and syncretic religious groups in Brasil. He has conducted extensive ethnobotanical fieldwork in the Peruvian, Colombian, and Brasilian Amazon. He has served as invited speaker at numerous scientific congresses, seminars, and symposia. Dr. McKenna is author or co-author of over 35 scientific papers in peer-reviewed journals. His publications have appeared in the Journal of Ethnopharmacology, European Journal of Pharmacology, Brain Research, Journal of Neuroscience, Journal of Neurochemistry, Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, Economic Botany, and elsewhere. If you have any questions or problems, please feel free to respond, or visit www.spiritplants.com I hope to see you there! Sean Hennessy --- EE E E at Clear White Light dot Org: Become touched by the Light! hopefully... From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:47:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta458.mail.yahoo.com (mta458.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.123]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LlDH10064 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:47:12 2001 Received: from mta458.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:47:12 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta458.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA30780; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032145.RAA30780@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> X-Sender: a5b43805@POP.telus.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:09:54 -0700 To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) From: Linda Rightmire Subject: EE: alien hanky-panky Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO webdriver >If only >mutated or original DNA strands can get past along, (you know... if there >was no alien hanky-panky) then you would have to be carrying some original >strands from these ancient ancestors, right? We have numerous friends who are really into the alien hanky-panky premise (thanks web ;) ). Most recently a couple are reading a book on the ?? ten or is it a dozen crystal skulls, found.. ?? I forget all other bits of this story, haven't actually read anything about it. I previously thought there was ONE found in .. ? Mexico or Central America or something. In general I haven't seen anything convincing, but wouldn't rule it out, either. Occam's Razor is *I think* only intended as a guideline, not a hard and fast filter/rule, right? However, the most interesting poke we've had in that direction came from Jeremy Narby in The Cosmic Serpent. (Sorry, loaned out so I can't quote a relevant passage.) In this book, Narby goes through a paragraph or so wherein he describes some math around amounts of combinations of DNA cells, and more or less states that there hasn't been enough TIME since the formation of the earth, for the degree of complication that our DNA has, to develop. (What number of years would that be? sorry, again I can't recall, but he was using "accepted" numbers there.) Though I read the paragraph several times, I could not seem to determine whether his logic was working as well as the math. Many of the new agey lines of thinking presume alien "seeding" for human life on earth. And then, there are strange realities, apparently, wherein your Dogon tribe has for centuries revered Sirius and knows things about it that they shouldn't, using unassisted eyesight. Again -- can't recall the details. [sheesh, you'll be thinking, sieve-brain.] I guess the reason I recall this so poorly is that the actual aspect of the story that really interests me would be more along the lines of the supposed very ancient origins of *yoga*, lost to prehistory. Little discussion occurs around this. Opinions?? Better information???? Hey, how about that undersea find off the coast of Egypt, in the Mediterranean? love, Linda --- EE E E at Clear White Light dot Org: Become touched by the Light! hopefully... From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:47:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta497.mail.yahoo.com (mta497.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.205]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LlGH10071 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:47:15 2001 Received: from mta497.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:47:15 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta497.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA28246; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032145.RAA28246@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org From: "webdriver" To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) Subject: EE: Did you ever think about this? Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:13:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO EEasy people, Check it out! http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldppop Did you realize that each of the 6,161,144,225 living human beings on this planet can all trace a common strand of DNA to a single unexpected mutation that sprang into being somehow as a result of an error in the copying process during cell division of an "X" or Y" chromosome which belonged to some pre-conscious being? Also, did you realize that in the time it took me to write this, the population of the world increased by 2,914 people? And that the same process described above occurs regularly in the human genome? And that errors are fairly common? Just in case you didn't know, I thought I'd mention it. web-wonder-er driving by again :-) --- EE From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:47:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta499.mail.yahoo.com (mta499.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.207]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LlSH10089 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:47:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:47:27 2001 Received: from mta499.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:47:27 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta499.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA31912; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032146.RAA31912@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> X-Sender: a5b43805@POP.telus.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:10:55 -0700 To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) From: Linda Rightmire Subject: EE: Psychedelic Thinking --- was -- re: Better Late than Never Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO [I sent this yesterday at 11 or so, and it has not reached my mailbox from ee. Sorry if this is duplicated.] Tony >Each "Ultimate Truth" which all these "religions" lay claim to own was >invariably either handed down from some ancient teacher or stems from the >minutes of a Great Prophet's meeting with God. But they are all in >disagreement, else they would be one. Just to point out, some -- hate to use the word religion, so biased I am!! -- some ... "traditions" do not proclaim themselves the one and only. See my recent Sufi excerpt. Also I believe the Ba'hai (mispunctuated??) do not deny others' beliefs. >If mention of "religion" on this list meets with an indifferent or >argumentative response, what you hear, dear Robert, is not the sound of >"minds slamming shut" but that of doors and windows being thrown open to let >in the air and light of truth and to clear away the stagnant stench of >dogma. The entheogenic experience that we share has taught most of us that >"it's just not like that". But here's something I loved -- many of you will remember Sirius from TechGnosis and Novelty. He sent me this article, Psychedelic Thinking and the Dawn of Homo Cyber. This was Larry Hagerty's presentation at the recent MindStates conference. Hagerty is author of 'The Spirit of the Internet', available online, along with the full text of this article at http://www.matrixmasters.com/. > >A psychedelic thinker is not only a skilled navigator of the deeper realms of >consciousness, but also someone who has decided to actively participate in the >evolution of consciousness itself. The work of a psychedelic thinker begins by >asking the hard questions that seem to be unanswerable while in unaltered >states. More importantly, psychedelic thinkers never. assume that their >current >answers are final. People who believe they have uncovered the one and only >answer to the eternal mystery of life form religions. Psychedelic thinkers >have >developed the ability to move beyond such earthly absolutes. And -- wonderful stuff lately from Tony, John/webdriver, Mitch... etc. Especially loved John's very lengthy -- wow! great effort and very clearly described. Fascinating stuff. I was crushed to see Dan's going, but I do believe he'll be back. I love this idea we are "actively [participating] in the evolution of consciousness itself." Quite a long time ago I submitted a bunch of stuff (?!) on "conscious evolution" including excerpts from the book of the same name by Barbara Marx Hubbard. You guys(gals) are too awesome!!! Just wow, and thanks!!! much love, Linda [sparkley-note: Chuck just called me to look at the incredibly sparkley and beautiful window -- suitable for building into a door later -- that he's made for our friends' wedding later today, he is the best man. They'd seen a huge meteor looking at the sky one night after they left our place, the shooting star has become their symbol, was on their invitations, etc. Chuck's design includes a gold star in an otherwise etched image of steps and doorway, with very sparkley translucent pastel-coloured little circles of glass around the side. Spectacular!! Besides -- it's been pouring rain, and they hope to do the ceremony in her parents' home overlooking the South Thompson River, east of town. Now the sun's come out. Whooooooosh......] --- EE E E at Clear White Light dot Org: Become touched by the Light! hopefully... From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:47:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta325.mail.yahoo.com (mta325.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.107.57]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LlhH10113 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:47:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:47:42 2001 Received: from mta325.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:47:42 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta325.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01006; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032145.RAA01006@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> X-Sender: a5b43805@POP.telus.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:21:17 -0700 To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) From: Linda Rightmire Subject: EE: Psychedelic Thinking --- was -- re: Better Late than Never Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Tony >Each "Ultimate Truth" which all these "religions" lay claim to own was >invariably either handed down from some ancient teacher or stems from the >minutes of a Great Prophet's meeting with God. But they are all in >disagreement, else they would be one. Just to point out, some -- hate to use the word religion, so biased I am!! -- some ... "traditions" do not proclaim themselves the one and only. See my recent Sufi excerpt. Also I believe the Ba'hai (mispunctuated??) do not deny others' beliefs. >If mention of "religion" on this list meets with an indifferent or >argumentative response, what you hear, dear Robert, is not the sound of >"minds slamming shut" but that of doors and windows being thrown open to let >in the air and light of truth and to clear away the stagnant stench of >dogma. The entheogenic experience that we share has taught most of us that >"it's just not like that". But here's something I loved -- many of you will remember Sirius from TechGnosis and Novelty. He sent me this article, Psychedelic Thinking and the Dawn of Homo Cyber. This was Larry Hagerty's presentation at the recent MindStates conference. Hagerty is author of 'The Spirit of the Internet', available online, along with the full text of this article at http://www.matrixmasters.com/. > >A psychedelic thinker is not only a skilled navigator of the deeper realms of >consciousness, but also someone who has decided to actively participate in the >evolution of consciousness itself. The work of a psychedelic thinker begins by >asking the hard questions that seem to be unanswerable while in unaltered >states. More importantly, psychedelic thinkers never. assume that their >current >answers are final. People who believe they have uncovered the one and only >answer to the eternal mystery of life form religions. Psychedelic thinkers >have >developed the ability to move beyond such earthly absolutes. And -- wonderful stuff lately from Tony, John/webdriver, Mitch... etc. Especially loved John's very lengthy -- wow! great effort and very clearly described. Fascinating stuff. I was crushed to see Dan's going, but I do believe he'll be back. I love this idea we are "actively [participating] in the evolution of consciousness itself." Quite a long time ago I submitted a bunch of stuff (?!) on "conscious evolution" including excerpts from the book of the same name by Barbara Marx Hubbard. You guys(gals) are too awesome!!! Just wow, and thanks!!! much love, Linda [sparkley-note: Chuck just called me to look at the incredibly sparkley and beautiful window -- suitable for building into a door later -- that he's made for our friends' wedding later today, he is the best man. They'd seen a huge meteor looking at the sky one night after they left our place, the shooting star has become their symbol, was on their invitations, etc. Chuck's design includes a gold star in an otherwise etched image of steps and doorway, with very sparkley translucent pastel-coloured little circles of glass around the side. Spectacular!! Besides -- it's been pouring rain, and they hope to do the ceremony in her parents' home overlooking the South Thompson River, east of town. Now the sun's come out. Whooooooosh......] --- EE From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:48:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta536.mail.yahoo.com (mta536.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.17]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63Lm2H10157 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:48:01 2001 Received: from mta536.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:48:01 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta536.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22178; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032146.RAA22178@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> X-Sender: a5b43805@POP.telus.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:30:38 -0700 To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) From: Linda Rightmire Subject: EE: help/test Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO heya, there... anyone else having trouble getting through??? --- EE From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:48:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta415.mail.yahoo.com (mta415.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.67]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63Lm4H10164 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:48:03 2001 Received: from mta415.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:48:03 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta415.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA15263; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032146.RAA15263@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> From: "controlled folly" To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) Subject: EE: colorado day meditation, east coast american continent, energy galore! Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:54:25 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO as i ran along the "lake" in the cool evening "perfect" day weather, i passed the car sitting, its driver/director sitting in it. car idling, windows closed, a/c on. outside temp 70. passed same car on way back several minutes later. same situation. maybe the man has a medical condition, needs the filtered, a/c air (giving him benefit of doubt). another car, two folks sitting inside, windows closed, this one also running. i run past it on return to outdoor grilled salmon. using charcoal brickets, which are very chemically smelling before lighting. and after lighting. although i was not bothered by bugs, and i frequently am bothered when bugs are "out" [where do the bugs go when they are "in"?], maybe these closed windows were strategies to remain bugfree comfy. lawn being watered. sprinkler. to make the grass grow presumably [clever am i!]. then, when grass grows, it will be cut by lawnmowers using gasoline and oil. cycle repeats throughout summer. the pinnacle of civilization; the smartest beings on the planet, us homo sapiens! another house's sprinkling spreads its water out across the road. wet street in patterns. water flowing downhill, as water is wont to do. what percentage of water ends on street, to enter big sky, to rerain later? earlier, i was enjoying the late afternoon light. saw house with electric lights on within. think of maureen dowd, who says, "we want big, we want now, we want fast, we want chill." my daughter lila entered house, went to thermostat, i could tell she wanted to turn on a/c. she had been doing something which had gotten her sweating a bit, on this low humidity, at-the-time-75-degree day. instant relief desired, expected. i called her off, "don't turn it on!" i work to keep heart chakra open. breathing in, i feel tranquility. breathing out, i send blessings to the driver of that car, to lila, to jill who has the [to me at the time] glaring dining and living room electric lights on, missing all that scrumtious early evening soft natural light. cloudless sky fifteen hour long day, rise to set sun. remember to bless everyone. include yourself, i recall. much more important to feel peaceful inside, if i can organically manage it, than to get upset by focusing on huge misuse/overuse of fossil fuels. if i can feel serenity, if i can remember that i too will die like stegasaurus, *while* i am also aware that we humans are relatively stupid as a group {in those ways we are}, then maybe i can accomplish some good. may i accomplish some good. may i be happy. may all beings be happy. may i discern what "happy" is. may all the others do the same..... in the interest of serenity of heartmind, i will stop now. loving kindness vrittis to all readers. --new jersey goyim guy, surrounded for miles and miles in every direction by millions of human beings using electricity [all that plutonium to be stored for my children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children. and then some. all that nuclear waste to have to manage for very long, very long, very long time sunshine upon you; all love surround you, and the pure light within you, guide you all the way on!] --- EE E E at Clear White Light dot Org: Become touched by the Light! hopefully... From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:48:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta585.mail.yahoo.com (mta585.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.114]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63Lm9H10176 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:48:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:48:08 2001 Received: from mta585.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:48:08 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta585.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10492; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032146.RAA10492@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> From: "controlled folly" To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) Subject: EE: "The dakinis are very subtle, petite, naked fairies with tiny human-bone necklaces around their throats. They flit around like humming birds in the air and inside your mind." Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:26:55 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO "I had so much shakti moving through my body that night that I couldn't sleep. I decided to meditate and do my mala instead. I sat in the room and closed my eyes, saying, 'Om Mani Padme Hum!' All of a sudden my mind turned into a blue-sky dream. It was a beautiful crysalline, azure sky -- like the sky at dawn -- with no taste of a cloud. It was translucent. A ring of light shot out the of the sky straight at me. I saw the Karmapa flying in the ring, carrying a crystal mala in one hand and holding a black hat on his head with the other hand. It was incredibly real, but for months afterward I kept wondering, 'Why was he holding on to his hat?' Much later I learned that the black hat was given to the 8th Karmapa, Mikyo Dorje, centureis ago. It had been woven in the celestial realm from the pubic hair of one hundred thousand dakinis, little celestial fairies. It held the power of the dakinis, so when the Karmapas wear this hat it activates the liberating power of the Tibetan spiritual lineage. Lineage is very important in Eastern religion because it is the conduit through which the energy of divine knowledge travels from century to century. The next morning I was totally in love with the Karmapa. The young monks who brought tea were like peacocks: they didn't walk -- they sort of flew around, up and down the stairs and through the corridorrs. They seemed to be flying because their robes were always flapping like goose wings. The lamas took me to the rooftop for another visit with His Hoineess the Karmapa. The Karmapa was so huge, like an Arabian sultan sitting on a grand flying carpet, with nothing but sky behind him. It was very much like my dream. I could see a black crown hovering above his head as I was sitting in front of him, but not with my physical eyes. I would later realize that dakinis were flying around him all the time." pp. 125-6, IT'S HERE NOW (ARE YOU?), A Spiritual Memoir by Bhagavan Das Typed as a sadhana this early afternoon with you in mind, Belle. This would be the same Karmapa we later witnessed performing the Black Crown Ceremony (at different times) here in America. Whose body has since "dropped". The new Karmapa is "in service" now. Namaskar, Flatland Crow-afar --- EE E E at Clear White Light dot Org: Become touched by the Light! hopefully... From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:48:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta538.mail.yahoo.com (mta538.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.19]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LmDH10186 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:48:12 2001 Received: from mta538.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:48:12 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta538.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA31450; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032146.RAA31450@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> X-Sender: a5b43805@POP.telus.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 11:27:16 -0700 To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) From: Linda Rightmire Subject: EE: psychedelic in the title Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO I resent something today, that appeared to not have come through on ee yesterday. Psychedelic ("Psychedelic thinking") was in the title. This second em is not showing up. This is an experiment. Will it make it through?? --- EE From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:48:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta542.mail.yahoo.com (mta542.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.24]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LmQH10197 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:48:24 2001 Received: from mta542.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:48:24 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta542.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01418; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032146.RAA01418@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> X-Sender: a5b43805@POP.telus.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:48:14 -0700 To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) From: Linda Rightmire Subject: EE: test Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO helllloooooo... --- EE From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:48:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta548.mail.yahoo.com (mta548.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.31]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LmSH10201 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:48:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:48:26 2001 Received: from mta548.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:48:27 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta548.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20914; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032146.RAA20914@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> X-Sender: a5b43805@POP.telus.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:44:03 -0700 To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) From: Linda Rightmire Subject: EE: hmmmmmmmmmm........ Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Okay, here's a case in point. Yesterday I sent a post entitled, Psychedelic Thinking and Homo Cyber. Actually, I forwarded it. That was about 11:30 a.m. As it hadn't shown up by this a.m., I re-sent it. When *that* one hadn't shown after for a couple hours, I submitted one entitled, "Psychedelic in the title", also not shown up (after several hours). So. The article in question ARRIVED in my mailbox, therefore not blocked as an incoming post. But -- but -- Maybe I'm just being paranoid. But, other posts of mine got through. ????? The article is very interesting and includes this quote: > >A psychedelic thinker is not only a skilled navigator of the deeper realms of >consciousness, but also someone who has decided to actively participate in the >evolution of consciousness itself. The work of a psychedelic thinker begins by >asking the hard questions that seem to be unanswerable while in unaltered >states. More importantly, psychedelic thinkers never. assume that their >current >answers are final. People who believe they have uncovered the one and only >answer to the eternal mystery of life form religions. Psychedelic thinkers >have >developed the ability to move beyond such earthly absolutes. The article, Psychedelic Thinking and the Dawn of Homo Cyber, was Larry Hagerty's presentation at the recent MindStates conference. Hagerty is author of 'The Spirit of the Internet', available online, along with the full text of this article at http://www.matrixmasters.com/. --- EE From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 15:49:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta412.mail.yahoo.com (mta412.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.64]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63Ln4H10255 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:49:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta412.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:49:03 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta412.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.96] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA66100D2; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:34:30 -0400 Message-ID: <20010703213820.40916.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.57.129.240] by web10404.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:38:20 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Johnson Subject: EE: Scientists Manufacture Human Eggs To: EE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Scientists Manufacture Human Eggs By Emma Ross AP Medical Writer Monday, July 2, 2001; 4:52 p.m. EDT LAUSANNE, Switzerland –– Scientists appear to have found a way that someday could allow women to become mothers after they no longer can produce viable eggs, a potential advance in breaking the last great barrier to fertility treatments. The technique, described Monday at a conference of the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology in Lausanne, involves taking a cell from an infertile woman's body, and inserting it into an emptied donated egg. The resulting egg contains the genetic material of the woman wanting the baby, not of the donor. Scientists warned that the work is still in the preliminary stages, and it could be years before the technique produces a healthy baby, if ever. When they fertilized the manufactured egg with sperm, it divided once, then collapsed. But theoretically, the method could create an unlimited supply of eggs for the infertile woman and allow her to have a child at a much older age. However, experts tried to play down that possibility, saying they strongly discourage post-menopausal motherhood on ethical and practical grounds. Dr. Gianpiero Palermo, a professor of embryology at the Center for Reproductive Medicine and Infertility at Cornell University, said that besides older women, his technique could help those who can't use their own eggs, either because they don't have any or because their eggs are no good. Such women could include those whose ovaries are removed before cancer treatment, those who were born without ovaries or women who reach menopause at a young age. Prominent fertility researcher Dr. Zsolt Peter Nagy, who was not connected with the project, said the technique potentially is one of the most important advances in fertility treatment ever. Fertility treatments took a major step forward in 1978, when a team led by Robert Edwards and Patrick Steptoe conquered Fallopian tube problems with the introduction of in vitro fertilization, where the egg is fertilized outside the body and implanted in the womb. Then, in 1992, while he was working in Belgium, Palermo circumvented the failure of sperm to swim to the womb by injecting the sperm directly into the egg – a technique called ICSI. The problem of declining egg supply as women age has probably been the biggest major challenge in fertility treatment since then, experts say. "I am sure one day this will work," said Nagy, scientific director at the Central Research Clinic of Human Reproduction in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Nagy is pursuing similar research. "And if it does, it will be the biggest development, after IVF and ICSI," he said. Edwards called the research "promising." Others were more skeptical that manufactured eggs could produce healthy babies anytime soon, saying the technique would likely create gross genetic abnormalities. Scientists believe that DNA deteriorates with age and fear that the older the cell, the more likely the chance of major defects. All people inherit two sets of chromosomes from their parents – one from their mother and one from their father. Normally, all the cells in the body, except the sperm and the egg, have two copies of each chromosome, which contain the genes. A mature egg contains only one set of each chromosome. When a cell from elsewhere in the body is inserted into an emptied egg, it then has two sets. To make the egg viable for fertilization, the scientists had to get rid of one of the sets of chromosomes. An electric shock split the pairs in half and prompted the egg to expel the unwanted set of chromosomes, making it suitable to receive the sperm. Roger Gosden, a fertility pioneer from McGill University in Montreal, Canada, said Palermo's technique was "plausible." "If there's a way we can help people have a genetic child rather than a donated egg, then we should. This is interesting science, it's very preliminary, but who knows?" he said. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:49:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta461.mail.yahoo.com (mta461.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.126]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63Ln5H10259 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:49:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:49:04 2001 Received: from mta461.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:49:04 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta461.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10864; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032147.RAA10864@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> X-Originating-IP: [216.34.56.12] From: "Earth Mum" To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) Subject: EE: Re: EE: re: Echelon Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:43:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2001 04:43:25.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0F9C150:01C0F61E] Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO >From: Dan Overholtzer > >>Mitch >> >http://www.newscientist.com/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns9999789 >> > >> >interesting that this recent article on Echelon is a blank page this >>morning. >> > >> >Am curious as to what you EE members have to say about this. & if you >>respond, please give a bit of detail why you are paranoid re this list and >>the super snooper super computer programs. Dan: >I am not much paranoid about this list because we are mundane >fare. Speak for thou, my dear, for I am magnificent. Behind and taking a message out of context, and couldn't resist a response. Lot's of magnificent folkEEs out there! Just read a post from Ron, forgot what it was about already, but had such strong thoughts that he needs to be a Dad. Would have so much to teach a child. Just a vibe. now.....on with catching up this fine Friday night..... Mum _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- EE From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 3 15:49:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta464.mail.yahoo.com (mta464.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.129]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63LnYH10300 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:49:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ee@clearwhitelight.org) MBOX-Line: From ee@clearwhitelight.org Tue Jul 03 21:49:33 2001 Received: from mta464.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:49:34 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by mta464.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clearwhitelight.org (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06324; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107032147.RAA06324@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> From: spanda@inreach.com X-Sender: spanda@pop3.inreach.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:16:27 -0700 To: ee@clearwhitelight.org (EE Mailing List) Subject: EE: Rules of Disinfo Reply-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Sender: ee@clearwhitelight.org Errors-To: ee@clearwhitelight.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO http://www.trufax.org/research2/disinforules.html this is the 4th time I've sent these to ee. Last time 6-8-01. Its a great little list. mb --- EE From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 15:52:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta442.mail.yahoo.com (mta442.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.97]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63Lq5H10562 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:52:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta442.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 14:52:04 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta442.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 14:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AD65F00E6; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:47:17 -0400 Received: from c7d9f4 (user-2iveqph.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.107.49]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02348 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c1040a$0a00e760$8256fea9@c7d9f4> From: "Uaxac Cib" To: Subject: EE: clear white oops Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:49:29 -0400 Organization: The best in Ceiling Fan Maintenance since nineteen-forty-three! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO just in case any wondered, the surge of messages from the old ee@clearwhitelight.org happened when starting the mailing list program to help another friend with a list and it processed the account which had messages in it from that whole fiasco, so no worries, no need to send mail to ee@clearwhitelight.org though the blast from the not to distant past might provide some interesting resonances. T'ay. Currently Listening To: Satyricon, by Meat Beat Manifesto Uaxac Cib - Doctor UV Divinity, and a con-du-it for Galactic in-telligence. "I say what it occurs to me to say when I think I hear people say things. More I cannot say." - Douglas Adams, 1952 - 2001 Clear-white Light: http://clearwhitelight.org Your limits create your limits. From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 16:11:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta573.mail.yahoo.com (mta573.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.102]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63MBAH12325 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta573.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 15:11:10 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta573.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 15:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.54] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A2123200E8; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:07:14 -0400 Received: from satan ([24.116.34.1]) by mail2.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:10:48 -0700 Message-ID: <058501c1040f$e96deb00$91227418@satan> From: "Rev. Rob" To: References: <000401c10364$98706440$25efb5d0@oemcomputer> Subject: EE: Alien Hanky-Panky Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:31:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Dear All, >If only >mutated or original DNA strands can get past along, (you know... if there >was no alien hanky-panky) then you would have to be carrying some original >strands from these ancient ancestors, right? I entertained the idea of alien hanky-panky for a while too. However, I have a good friend that is retired military (and was involved with the Disclosure Project. It was mentioned on Dreamland, Art Bell and in the major U.S. headlines a couple months or so back, and the only member who testified who was mentioned by name in the Washington Post's article) that knows for a fact that when he retired in 1989 that there are 57 different "species" we know about and have cataloged (our government that is) and three "types" of "Grays." He has assured me beyond doubt, due to his own encounters with various beings that there has been no hanky-panky. In fact, there is a strict ban against messing with anything on the planet dealing with our evolution in any manor at all. Yes there are several "species" that are indistinguishable from Humans. He has stated to me many, many times that the Earth is a "quarantined" planet. We are to be left alone but monitored. We are to not be allowed to "contaminate" the Universe, which means we are pretty much stuck on Earth to a degree and definitely our solar system. We have technology but have not spiritually evolved along with it. We must get past the hurtle that brings down most civilizations which is, being destroyed by our own technology. We cannot be permitted to contaminate the universe with our war-like ways and unevolved attitude towards less technological worlds. If we pass this crucial test then we will have graduated into the cosmological adulthood and will be permitted to join the other "species" out there. As long as we haven't evolved spiritually to the degree of our technology we will appear to be the only intelligent life in the Universe (to ourselves and the general public). Why haven't they landed here "on the White House lawn?" Because as stated above, we are not ready as a population for that knowledge and admittance into the celestial organization that has existed for billions of years (at least one "species" is 1.4 billion years more advanced than humans spiritually and technologically and some only hundreds or thousands but the point is they are well past our present state...) look how far we have come in a short time: in less than 25 years we went from soldiers with less than fully SEMI-AUTOMATIC personal weapons of WW1 to the Atom bomb and power of the atom before the end of WW2. We went from the Wright brothers in 1903 to the moon in just over 60 years, and now have the ability to go to Mars... but why haven't we? That has already been explained to a degree above. Will "they" let us go to Mars? I imagine they would but it appears "they" are making our exploration of Mars take a while to kind of "let it sink in" because look what is already been seen and the uproar about it. Why have we lost (publicly at least) the last 2 majorly headlined Mars probes and both us and Russia many more over the past couple decades? Information has leaked out about our last mars probe that makes one think if we really lost it or just the world public lost it. I mean, how could we hear a faint signal and know that the craft landed softly just like designed if we really lost it, and why did military intelligence offices let this slip out when in theory they should have absolutely nothing to do with the missions? That was a "purely scientific mission done by NASA and a few Universities." There are a lot of amazing things in this universe, and I have it on great authority that we humans do in fact have some unique qualities about us that make us truly special and really wanted by "them" but unless we evolve it will be by our own hand that we remove those specialties from the Galactic "gene-pool or mind" and no one else's. So, if you really want to believe in alien intercession I don't have a problem with that at all. I found the literature to be quite interesting and provoking. I entertained the though and pretty much believed for several years. It has been since my talk with Cliff, a particularly serious one, which is uncommon because we enjoy joking with each other quite a bit. I have known him for over 10 years, and he has never told me anything as a fact that he couldn't back up with documents except in extremely rare cases (I mean like way rare, almost never). This was one of those cases. I said "how do you know?" and he replied: "I asked them." I asked "do you believe they are telling the truth?" he replied: "Would a human lie to an ant? There are things we will understand when we spiritually evolve, and one of those is to leave others alone and protect them from contamination because there is a larger plan out there that nothing living knows all about. If we were manipulated we would have no purpose because it would have been bred out of us by such tampering. We are the way the Divine/Universe wants us to be and nothing/no one will change that but us." Shalom, Robert Rev. Rob's World: Kabbalah, UFOs, Roswell, New Mexico, Weddings Done www.foursacreddirections.com/shaman other interests: www.foursacreddirections.com Within the Hatter's madness can the Truth be found, for what is Truth if seen as madness, by those all around. "As the sphere of knowledge expands the surface area of ignorance grows larger.... you can't do anything about that" --Terence McKenna From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 17:51:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta410.mail.yahoo.com (mta410.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.62]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63NpHH21335 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:51:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta410.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 16:51:16 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta410.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 16:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.arnet.com.ar [200.45.191.6] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A98820700E8; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:47:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 9003 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 23:51:10 -0000 Received: from host060223.arnet.net.ar (HELO oemcomputer) (200.45.60.223) by smtp1.arnet.com.ar with SMTP; 3 Jul 2001 23:51:08 -0000 Message-ID: <015a01c1041b$f52a4220$df3c2dc8@oemcomputer> From: "LacOv" To: References: <112.1094bc9.28700e14@aol.com> Subject: Re: EE: Kitties and Puppies Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:49:08 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO I live in a city were dogs far outnumber people. That´s because careless owners don´t mind taking care of their dog rate of inception. So in many parts of the city, people has to walk by the pavement, because there are lots of bad behaved loveless dogs in the sidewalks waiting for biting/harassing people. And i´m not joking here! Having no car, i walk a lot and have a lot of interaction with dogs. I used to have much trouble with them, being a cat person (probably smelling like one). It also made me mad to think that owners didn´t kept their dogs inside their properties, putting danger to peasants and children. So i used to throw lots of rocks at dogs, and their houses. But this was quite stressing, having quarrels with dog owners, etc. The solution came from my beloved Edith which advised me to do what she did: trying to become friends with the dog. When she sees one, before he barks at her, she begins to talk to him in a funny silly happy voice "hola perrito, como estás, es tu cumpleaños? que bonito que sos!" and stuff like that. This usually works wonderful with them. Most of the time dog´s barking is a way to call atention and asking for playing. I followed her advice and my trouble with dogs has almost being worked out. Now I have another trouble and that´s friendly dogs running to me and jumping at my with their mudded feet. But at least i don´t get as angry as before while walking in the streets. BTW Today I read in the newspaper that a woman in another city was attacked by unleashed dogs and had to be hospitalized. Dogs are nice, but they are dangerous too. Cats pose no threat (well, until they pee on your keyboard, but that´s another tale). I definitely agree with Jeff, certain breeds should be outlawed because there are too many irresponsible people out there.- Just my two bones. -- Sebastian "LacOv" From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 17:51:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta468.mail.yahoo.com (mta468.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.133]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f63NpQH21345 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:51:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta468.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 16:51:26 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta468.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 16:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.arnet.com.ar [200.45.191.6] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A990E00EE; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:47:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 9149 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 23:51:18 -0000 Received: from host060223.arnet.net.ar (HELO oemcomputer) (200.45.60.223) by smtp1.arnet.com.ar with SMTP; 3 Jul 2001 23:51:15 -0000 Message-ID: <015b01c1041b$fa245e00$df3c2dc8@oemcomputer> From: "LacOv" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20010702170600.007279d4@mail.wf.net> Subject: Re: EE: Web Site Update ~ More Where Bees Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:56:32 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO I really get excited when I look at that globe surrounded by our nEEt. - Mother Earth, C´mon feel the VIBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chaffyn" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: EE: Web Site Update ~ More Where Bees > . > === > http://www.wf.net/~aardvark/ee/wheree/wee_bee.htm > === > > From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 18:39:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta412.mail.yahoo.com (mta412.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.64]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f640dIH24516 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta412.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 17:39:16 2001 -0700 X-Track: 3: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta412.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 17:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.arnet.com.ar [200.45.191.6] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A4C617C00FC; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 20:35:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 8959 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:39:09 -0000 Received: from host060223.arnet.net.ar (HELO oemcomputer) (200.45.60.223) by smtp1.arnet.com.ar with SMTP; 4 Jul 2001 00:39:07 -0000 Message-ID: <019f01c10422$a908a600$df3c2dc8@oemcomputer> From: "LacOv" To: Subject: EE: mushroom book Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:45:41 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Hi, I´m want to buy a mushroom guide and I don´t know which of this books to choose. Which one (or which others) would you fungi pickers sujests? (keep in mind that my main interest is using it for identification of SouthAm magic mushroons)--Maaaaaaany Thanks. --LacOv 1. Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World : An Identification Guide by Paul Stamets, Andrew Weil 2. Magic Mushrooms Around the World by Jochen Gartz From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 19:08:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta430.mail.yahoo.com (mta430.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.85]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6418QH26535 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta430.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 18:08:25 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta430.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 18:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.intergate.ca [207.34.179.20] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB9B23400FC; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 21:04:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 27416 invoked by uid 1007); 4 Jul 2001 01:18:04 -0000 Received: from revmed@intergate.ca by vector.intergate.ca with qmail-scanner-0.93 (uvscan: v4.0.50/v4145. . Clean. Processed in 0.452874 secs); 03/07/2001 18:18:03 Received: from gateway-208.181.239.179.intergate.ca (HELO oemcomputer) (208.181.239.179) by vector.intergate.ca with SMTP; 4 Jul 2001 01:18:03 -0000 From: "\(r\)evolution" To: Subject: RE: EE: mushroom book Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:00:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c10424$eb885a00$a3efb5d0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <019f01c10422$a908a600$df3c2dc8@oemcomputer> Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO we have the Stamets. it is excellent, unbeatable, covering every known psilocybin containing-mushroom and relative, chock-full of colorful photographs and a very well-written and entertaining introductory section. -----Original Message----- From: e.e-owner@visionplants.org [mailto:e.e-owner@visionplants.org]On Behalf Of LacOv Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 5:46 PM To: e.e@visionplants.org Subject: EE: mushroom book Hi, I´m want to buy a mushroom guide and I don´t know which of this books to choose. Which one (or which others) would you fungi pickers sujests? (keep in mind that my main interest is using it for identification of SouthAm magic mushroons)--Maaaaaaany Thanks. --LacOv 1. Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World : An Identification Guide by Paul Stamets, Andrew Weil 2. Magic Mushrooms Around the World by Jochen Gartz From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 19:22:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta582.mail.yahoo.com (mta582.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.111]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f641MDH27500 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta582.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 18:22:12 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta582.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 18:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ncci.net [206.97.65.235] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AED928F00FC; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 21:18:17 -0400 Received: from jdanner [206.97.65.142] by ncci.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id AF1C316B04B8; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 20:19:24 -0500 Message-ID: <007f01c10427$eb622d00$144161ce@jdanner> From: "John Danner" To: References: <000d01c10424$eb885a00$a3efb5d0@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: EE: mushroom book Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:23:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO I agree with Jody. I have both. They're both good, but Stamets' is best. One thing I like about the book by Gartz is that it shows a third mushroom petroglyph from the Tassili plateau. I had only seen the usual two, which are in Food of the Gods. J >1. Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World : An Identification Guide by Paul Stamets, Andrew Weil 2. Magic Mushrooms Around the World by Jochen Gartz From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 19:42:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta321.mail.yahoo.com (mta321.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.107.53]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f641geH29015 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:42:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta321.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 18:42:39 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta321.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 18:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.arnet.com.ar [200.45.191.6] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A3A231000FC; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 21:38:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 19923 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 01:42:32 -0000 Received: from host060209.arnet.net.ar (HELO oemcomputer) (200.45.60.209) by smtp1.arnet.com.ar with SMTP; 4 Jul 2001 01:42:31 -0000 Message-ID: <01ef01c1042b$84405d00$df3c2dc8@oemcomputer> From: "LacOv" To: References: <000d01c10424$eb885a00$a3efb5d0@oemcomputer> <007f01c10427$eb622d00$144161ce@jdanner> Subject: Re: EE: mushroom book Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:36:01 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Wow boys, what a quick answer. So...are we virtually at a chat room here? Hey, I´m very thankful for the tips. I will follow your advice! ---LacOv ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Danner" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Re: EE: mushroom book > I agree with Jody. I have both. They're both good, but Stamets' is best. One > thing I like about the book by Gartz is that it shows a third mushroom > petroglyph from the Tassili plateau. I had only seen the usual two, which > are in Food of the Gods. > > J > > >1. Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World : An Identification Guide > by Paul Stamets, Andrew Weil > > 2. Magic Mushrooms Around the World by Jochen Gartz > From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 19:53:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta415.mail.yahoo.com (mta415.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.67]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f641rsH29815 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:53:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta415.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 18:53:53 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta415.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 18:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A64525D00E8; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 21:49:57 -0400 Received: from vajrastar (A040-0822.PHL2.splitrock.net [209.255.216.60]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f641rkt229162 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:53:46 -0400 Message-ID: <007b01c1042c$d700a3a0$26d5ffd1@vajrastar> From: "controlled folly" To: References: Subject: Re: EE: novelty lifeboat Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:57:38 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO > what a clod! fraud! liar! so they went into their little > Lifeboat.com, without once realizing that the godawful > CHARLES GOLDMAN had drilled a teeny weeny little hole > right there in the bow. sorry Christa, but the water you, deer charles, are an absolute nut!! > is warm in Hawaaii, and you can easily swim to shore > and find Buddhidharma and me, just watch out for my daughter used to say "buddhi", reefering to gautama, when she was young and innocent. she's no longer innocent, and she neglects her meditation practice these days. alas...... > those stinging nettlefish. stinging nettlefish, another name for goldman.... and thus, my horns grew > pointy. > > i almost had a special laison with Christa, Posey and > Patrice Lumumba. i should have taken my chances and you are looking at a cross-section of the inside of charles goldman's head, folks. > went ahead. i couldn't really say what i felt though. > i was afraid of stepping on too many toes with my > clown feet. then i got pregnant and had to concentrate > on its meaning for 9 months. or was it a novel? > > i love them at Lifeboat. some old friends are on Lifeboat. > i was in love with AMYRYLLA for so long. i would dream > of her luxurious hair and soft goddess voice purring > with little dots in it like these ... and my heart > oh god my heart still pounds for her way off in > Hong Kong, which reminds me ... > > i've got to get something to Hong Kong right away. what, your sperm?? in a package? a missile shaped package? > > i think my history is incorrect. but, you know what? your history sucks! as do your lips when you are making love. > i don't think so good and these drugs are making me > lose more braincells. well, anyway, back to the > crackpipe, and until the next time, i may be there used to be a sadhu, a holy man in india, who was called "crackpot baba". the only thing he would wear was a cracked pot, on his head. do you suppose he did too much mdma? ---love is all there is, mr flying frog From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Tue Jul 3 21:07:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta540.mail.yahoo.com (mta540.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.22]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f64374H35206 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta540.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 3 20:07:03 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta540.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jul 2001 20:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.51] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A76A4A00F4; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 23:03:06 -0400 Received: from satan ([24.116.34.17]) by mail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:06:56 -0700 Message-ID: <05b101c10439$3f695840$91227418@satan> From: "Rev. Rob" To: References: <019f01c10422$a908a600$df3c2dc8@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: EE: mushroom book Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:27:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Dear Lac, 1. Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World : An Identification Guide by Paul Stamets, Andrew Weil Excellent book, I love it and recommend it completely! Shalom, Robert Rev. Rob's World: Kabbalah, UFOs, Roswell, New Mexico, Weddings Done www.foursacreddirections.com/shaman other interests: www.foursacreddirections.com Within the Hatter's madness can the Truth be found, for what is Truth if seen as madness, by those all around. "As the sphere of knowledge expands the surface area of ignorance grows larger.... you can't do anything about that" --Terence McKenna From newcity-freewill-return-53-valor=global-dialog.org@cgi.newcity.com Tue Jul 3 21:33:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pride.opus1.com (Pride.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.236]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f643XQH37100 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:33:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from newcity-freewill-return-53-valor=global-dialog.org@cgi.newcity.com) Received: (qmail 91101 invoked by uid 5024); 4 Jul 2001 03:05:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact newcity-freewill-help@cgi.newcity.com; run by ezmlm subject: Freewill Astrology Weekly to: Freewill_Astrology_Enthusiast from: freewillastrology@newcity.com Delivered-To: mailing list newcity-freewill@cgi.newcity.com Received: (qmail 91092 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 03:05:01 -0000 Received: from c004-h004.c004.sfo.cp.net (HELO c004.sfo.cp.net) (209.228.14.75) by pride.opus1.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2001 03:05:01 -0000 Received: (cpmta 12819 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:01:30 -0700 Date: 3 Jul 2001 20:01:30 -0700 Message-ID: <20010704030130.12818.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 4 Jul 2001 03:01:30 GMT Received: from [209.76.200.121] by mail.newcity.com with HTTP; 03 Jul 2001 20:01:29 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.3 X-Sent-From: fwa_snd@newcity.com Status: RO Rob Brezsny's Free Will Astrology Newsletter Brought to you straight from the Dreamtime -- That primal realm where you'll find sanctuary Between every one of your deaths And every one of your rebirths. Visit it tonight. JULY 4, 2001 o Sailing submarines across the line of death. o Your Horoscope for the week. o A handful of wet pebbles. o Brave enough to venture through Chapel Perilous. o The distorted comfort of the wall. Plus: Secret strangers. IT'S A HOLIDAY WEEK for those of us who are 'Merikans, and Rob shouts out a birthday cheer of thanks to a country that allows him to be a "funkypagantantric freak" on the http://www.freewillastrology.com homepage. Next Monday's refresh finds a very witty essay by former GNOSIS Magazine publisher Jay Kinney on the rise of five very strange new religions. Check it out beginning July 9. THIS WEEK'S HOROSCOPE does not offer Leo a single syllable written by anyone other than Rob, so you can all stop roaring. Meanwhile, Cancer's got plenty of other voices to listen to -- figuring out which one to follow is the neat trick. Do it for love, Libra, not duty. And Happy UnBirthday to You, Capricorn! Wine on the table and a mess in the kitchen for everyone this week at FWA. ** The Free Will Astrology newsletter is devoted to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but you can withdraw from this utopian vision by unsubscribing at this address: http://www.freewillastrology.com/pages/newsletter.shtml . +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FREE WILL ASTROLOGY Your Horoscope for the Week of July 4, 2001 Copyright 2001 By Rob Brezsny freewillastrology@newcity.com Grammar key: Asterisks equal *italics* ARIES (March 21-April 19): Let's get mythical, shall we? For eons, the command post in your psyche has been harassed by a pretender to the throne, a.k.a. the Teenage Egomaniac from the Prettiest Part of Hell. This poor thing, who in some ways is a naïve savage and in other ways an over-civilized brat, lusts for power--but doesn't understand how to acquire or wield *real* power. That's the bad news, Aries. The good news: In the next 12 months, this lusty, primitive, muddled, spoiled part of you will have an excellent chance to grow up, get educated, and start exerting a graceful kind of clout. And it all starts now. TAURUS (April 20-May 20): Today I spied my neighbor aiming his garden hose at thigh-high weeds in the vacant lot. There was not a legitimate flower or vegetable crop in sight. The dude was definitely pouring valuable water on a mess of yellow star thistle, French broom, and poison oak. Being an open-minded person eager to understand quirky behavior, I asked him what he was up to. "Giving the water of life to my private patch of St. John's wort," he shot back with a whispered cackle. "The stuff calms me down better than Prozac." Indeed, as I looked more closely, I spied a few shoots of the herb that's said to promote good mental hygiene. What does this have to do with you? Like my neighbor, you Tauruses appear to be watering weeds, but there is in fact a method to your madness. GEMINI (May 21-June 20): I was not Nostradamus in a past life, but I was a poet who lived next-door to him. Believe it or not, he stole a lot of material from me. Maybe the karmic credit I accrued from that theft is the reason why I get to be a famous fortune-teller in my current incarnation. Anyway, I'd like to present your predictions for the second half of 2001 in a style that borrows from the cryptic approach I used back then. Enjoy. *Wads of money may not fall from the sky, but trickles of cash will ooze from unexpected cracks. A clumsy but well-meaning angel will seek to rearrange your home by September, and in October you'll have to burrow, not just dig, to find a curious treasure. In November, choose the circle, not the square.* CANCER (June 21-July 22): This week will present you with a preview of the juiciest issue of the second half of 2001. A diabolical angel in the right side of your brain will whisper, "Shoot for the rewards that will come from making up your own rules and beating the system." An angelic devil in the left side of your brain will insinuate, "Shoot for the rewards that the system will bestow upon you if you cheat a little but mostly play by its rules." A fool on the hill in the north side of your brain will mutter, "Beat the system by playing according to its rules." Here's what I say, Cancerian: May the best voice-in-your-head win. LEO (July 23-Aug. 22): Several fairy tales tell of a magical cauldron that cracks apart when three lies are told by people standing over it. There is a way to restore the pot to wholeness, however: Three great truths must be spoken in its vicinity. From my vantage point, Leo, your life now has a resemblance to the point in the story where the vessel has been broken but one restorative truth has been uttered. Your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to drum up the last two healing shocks. VIRGO (Aug. 23-Sept. 22): *Satan will ply you with cookies and milk as he sings you love songs by 'N Sync and Christina Aguilera.* What do you make of that fortune cookie message, Virgo, which I channeled for you while high on a massive sugar rush generated by 27 Oreos and a 32-ounce jug of drinkable chocolate yogurt? Here's how I interpret it: Beware of regressing to childish illusions and sentimental fantasies about romance. Now how about a saving-grace oracle to make up for that last one: *If you tell Satan to shut up and go away, Buddha will ply you with sushi and sake as he sings you love poems by Rumi and Leonard Cohen.* ++++++++++Nine Million Beds?+++++++++++++ Like a shamanic Santa Rob Brezsny always seems to know exactly what's going on in YOUR life. Discover what he found lurking under the bed this week. Expanded Audio Horoscopes -- no dust bunnies here. 1-900-903-2500 $1.99 per minute. 18 and over. Touchtone phone. Now also available in RealAudio at http://www.relationshipnetwork.com/horo/index.asp?client_id=50700 . +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LIBRA (Sept. 23-Oct. 22): Your dedication to seeing every side of every story is often a beautiful quality, but in the next six months I hope you'll begin to build your ability to be single- minded. I'll go so far as to say that you should even downplay concerns with fairness and balance so you can push ahead like a benevolent tyrant on behalf of your dreams. *Vision* is your old word of power; *action* is your new abracadabra. To serve your ambitions even better during the second half of 2001, Libra, I suggest you do whatever it takes to be more motivated by love than by duty. SCORPIO (Oct. 23-Nov. 21): With the power vested in me by the Supreme Scorpio Club (a society so secret I don't even know who's in it), I hereby elect your tribe "The Least Boring Sign of 2001." Furthermore, I nominate you "Most Likely to Succeed Where the Paranoids Have Failed," and I designate you "Best Exorcist of Other People's Phobias." Finally, I appoint you the zodiac's "Official Role Model in Charge of Demonstrating What It Means to Act Like a Lover in Every Situation." Better get to work. You've already got a pretty good handle on how to carry out your duties (they come so naturally!), but you'll still to have to intensify your Scorpio-ness to do them ultimate justice. SAGITTARIUS (Nov. 22-Dec. 21): "In a gift-giving society, an individual gains prestige and satisfaction by receiving, then adding to what has been received and passing it on." So says Lewis Hyde in his book, "The Gift, Imagination, and the Erotic Life of Property." "In a consumer society," he continues, "prestige and satisfaction are gained through accumulation and acquisition. Nothing is given, nothing is passed on." Though you live in the latter kind of culture, Saj, you often act as if you've hung out in the former. More than most people, you have a capacity for accepting and giving largesse. Still, you'd benefit from going even further in this direction. And now would be a perfect time to do so. The blessings you bestow on others are especially likely to return to you, and you're extra alert to ways that your generosity can yield selfish rewards. CAPRICORN (Dec. 22-Jan. 19): There are two excellent reasons for you to whip up a fresh list of New Year's resolutions this week. First of all, 2001 is half over, so it's prime time to renew your efforts to do what's really good for you. Secondly, it's halfway between your last birthday and the next, and therefore time for your *unbirthday.* From an astrological view, that means you have Ultimate Permission to act as if it's Day Zero of Year One. AQUARIUS (Jan. 20-Feb. 18): I hate to see your talents overlooked and underrated, Aquarius. Can I interest you in some guerrilla marketing? I'm talking about formulating a feisty new approach to packaging and selling yourself for the second half of 2001. What I'm visualizing wouldn't require you to lose your soul, but would unleash *more* of your soul. It would be an irreverent, humorous, aggressive advertisement for the real you. Think about it, you idiosyncratic work-in-progress. The world is starved for more of your influence. It's time to begin proving you're not a brilliant underachiever. PISCES (Feb. 19-March 20): The expansive planet Jupiter's visit to your astrological House of Stability has had the effect we astrologers hoped it would: Sometime in the last nine months, your homecoming finally happened. It wasn't always pretty or easy, but many of you Pisceans now have a security blanket or teddy bear-substitute superior to anything you've had since childhood. As Jupiter bestowed its blessings on your domestic scene, you most likely improved your housing situation and were able to give the term "status symbol" a new spiritual meaning. Now that you know so much better where you belong, my dear, you're primed to begin a new chapter in your relationship with love and play. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HEY, GREAT PARTY last week, what eh? Thanks to all who swung by Rob's virtual surprise bash bearing gifts to themselves. The gorgeous smarts of the presents pile mounted up with plenty of trips 'round the world, to the beach, and to Jupiter; found mortgages paid off and vacation homes purchased; offered soul mates, help mates, and silver skates; reunited families, forgave children and parents, wandered mountains, and tarried on beaches. Here are a few choice excerpts from the glittering mound: "If my birthday were on Saturday, I would give myself a bouquet of thistles from the prairie. And a thousand thousand unnecessary kisses. The new Bjork album. And, possibly, some Dunkin Donuts." "What I'd give myself is a hug from every person I ever wanted a hug from during those moments when nobody was hugging anybody, a kick in the behind skyward whenever light- heartedness has been too long absent, a sloppy kiss delivered up- side down, a few weeks in Italy, an Irish jig, a nude canoe-trip on Loon Lake in early October, and a handful of wet pebbles." "My present would be a 2001 Pontiac Trans Am, LOADED!" "I would wake up in the morning and bad and good events would come together in such a way that either through planned cosmic convergence or plain everyday coincidence, I would suddenly realize that for at least 18 years I've apologized for having been blessed, and no matter how many ways I tried to atone, no matter how many smiley faces and ampersands I used, I would never be able to make anyone's world completely safe. So instead of rendering myself harmless by being blandly, selflessly long- suffering, I could dare to use all those disparate patterns to create my own vision of what a heroine can be, and dare others to bring on their best and expect the most of me. I would heartily embrace all the contradictions -- whatever happens or doesn't - - with NO FEAR." And finally, a short note from this (sic) soul: "A better mode of transpot, more ecologigly sound, and a dictanary." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ G-O SPELLS GONE. We had hoped that they might be able to sneak off stage left with no one much noticing, but alas, the e-mails keep coming. The Guerrilla Oracles are in fact gone, finito, of the past. Thank you for your support and avid enjoyment of them, but producing those nuggets of weekend-poised wisdom proved to be just too much work with Rob's already overloaded schedule. //////////ad-friendly slather time\\\\\ You ever wonder what's in that lotion or soap? No worries with Kiss My Face body care. Completely natural, cruelty-free to animals and environmentally-friendly! http://quinst.com/c.jsp?area=taozhuasubudang //////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ GROWING LITERACY. Two weeks ago, this section didn't realize what it let itself in for when it asked you to recommend the A- Number-One most important book that any thoughtful, forward- looking teenager (and that means all of 'em) should read this summer. "Torrent" doesn't begin to encompass the amount and excellence of your suggestions and reasons thereof. And it was definitely Mind Meld time, as certain books were suggested again and again, with Herman Hesse's "Siddhartha" getting the most nods. All in all, a tremendous compendium of literature certain to at least take your Inner Teen all the way through winter. Short list first in no particular order other than vote-wise; longer stuff below: o "Siddhartha," by Herman Hesse -- four votes "It taught me to think for myself, to put together my own 'tool kit' for living, to be a freelance seeker, and to expect the answers to arise within myself," writes one respondent. o "Pride and Prejudice," by Jane Austen -- three votes o "The Illuminatus! Trilogy," by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson -- three votes "Guaranteed to enhance the shamanic skills of any brave enough to venture through Chapel Perilous," raves this reader. o "Jitterbug Perfume," by Tom Robbins -- two votes "Talk about a blue print for growing into a person with a full soul, no matter your current age," writes PETER. "I reread it every few years." o "Another Roadside Attraction," by Tom Robbins -- two votes o "To Kill A Mockingbird," by Harper Lee -- two votes o "Stranger in a Strange Land," by Robert Heinlein -- two votes "Ishmael" and "My Ishmael," by Daniel Quinn "The History of the World in 10 1/2 Chapters," by Julian Barnes "Catcher in the Rye," and "Franny and Zooey," by J.D. Salinger "The Neverending Story," by Michael Ende "The Four Agreements," by Don Miguel Ruiz "Sex Tips For Girls," by Cynthia Heimel "The Spiral Dance," and "The Fifth Sacred Thing," by Starhawk "The Enneagram -- A Journey of Self-discovery," by Maria Beesing, Robert J. Nogosek, Patrick H. O'Leary "The Happy Hooker," by Xaviera Hollander "Gaudy Night," by Dorothy Sayers "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues" and "Still Life with Woodpecker," by Tom Robbins "Middlemarch," by George Eliot "The 'Harry Potter' books" by J. K. Rowling "Catch-22" by Kurt Vonnegut "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance," by Robert M. Pirsig "On the Road," by Jack Kerouac "The Beauty Myth," by Naomi Wolf "Diet for a New America," by John Robbins "Howl," by Allen Ginsberg "Beloved," by Toni Morrison "The Bean Trees," by Barbara Kingsolver "The Island," and "Brave New World" by Aldolus Huxley "The Brothers Karamazov," by Fyodor Dostoevsky "Time Enough for Love," by Robert Heinlein "The Magus," by John Fowles "Diaries of Anais Nin" "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav "Walden," by Henry David Theroux "Mondo Barbie," edited by Richard Peabody and Lucinda Ebersole "Mrs. Dalloway," by Virginia Woolf "The Mandarins," by Simone de Beauvoir "The Art of Happiness," by the Dalai Lama "Don't Stop the Carnival," by Herman Wouk "Cruddy," by Lynda Barry "The Complete Works of William Shakespeare" "Canterbury Tales," by Chaucer "Woman and Nature: The Roaring Inside Her," by Susan Griffin "Cunt," by Inga Muscio "Anything and everything by Francesca Lia Block." "Any of Iyanla Vanzant's books." JENNIFER offers her own *and* A.A. Milne's unequivocal regard for Kenneth Grahame's "The Wind in the Willows," offering Milne's tart smarts on the subject: "One does not argue about 'The Wind in the Willows,'" Milne scolded. "The young man gives it to the girl with whom he is in love, and, if she does not like it, asks her to return his letters. The older man tries it on his nephew, and alters his will accordingly. The book is a test of character. We can't criticize it, because it is criticizing us. But I must give you one word of warning. When you sit down to it, don't be so ridiculous as to suppose that you are sitting in judgment on my taste, or on the art of Kenneth Grahame. You are merely sitting in judgment on yourself. You may be worthy: I don't know. But it is you who are on trial." This person writes, "Mark Helprin's 'A Winter's Tale' is the book teens and grownups should read. Reading this novel is like watching fireworks go off in your head. And feeling them, smelling them. Plus, you just can't go wrong with time- traveling villains and iron workers in the Great Swamp of New Jersey. Unlikely, beautiful in breath-catching ways, read it read it read it! Monday night, a college student on a train argued with me about 'The Little Prince,' saying the snake bit the Prince and he came to Earth. I wanted to club him for toying with perfection. Teenagers and everyone else ought to read or reread 'The Little Prince,' perhaps every year. We are responsible for what we tame. . . ." STEPHANIE's a bit peeved at being restricted to just one book, so looses herself with this run of good suggestions: "'The Snow Queen' by Joan Vinge; 'Strange Days' by Patricia Keneally; 'Anne of Green Gables' by L.M. Montgomery; 'The Hobbit' by J. R. Tolkien; 'The Dark is Rising' by Susan Cooper; and 'The Mists of Avalon' by Marion Zimmer Bradley." KEITH wrote around to his friends for recommendations, returning with this one that means something to him: "'In the Eyes of Mr. Fury' by Philip Ridley. An amazing book that I see as a fairy tale in the classic mode. Not only [does it have] a good moral and people changing their lives, but magic, blood, betrayal, and love. I read it in one sitting on a flight from London to New York and it changed my life. Hopefully it will change yours as well." In addition to other recs, NATHAN offers a plug for "'Acupressure For Lovers' by Michael Reed Gach Ph.D. We are taught very early how to hurt others but we are never taught how to cause pleasure. This book is a good primer for those like me who would like to change that -- when I think of all the time I spent fumbling that could have been saved. . . ." MLLE BRIGITTE gets herself in a twirl, suggesting several individual titles and then spinning out with, "The collected works of William Gibson, Steven Brust, or Diana Wynne Jones? Banana Yoshimoto or Haruki Murakami? All I know is, all my favorite people have read and enjoyed [Douglas Adams'] 'The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy' excessively." "There's a world of challenging reading that's being dropped by public schools," warns this writer, "because the themes don't fit corporate America's idea of the ideal workforce: fearful, obedient, and enslaved to material goods." And MS. FIRECRACKER sparkles with some terrific no-bones advice for school administrators and students alike, whizzing, "FORGET federally-mandated 'competency' testing and for God's sake, teach them to balance a checkbook, make a perfect omelet, locate a clitoris -- their own or someone else's -- buy a week's worth of food for $15.00, grow their own food without sending a dime to Ortho or Dow, READ CRITICALLY, jump-start a car, write a coherent letter, dance, make a condolence call, pick a life partner who will amuse them, and use birth control properly, instead of wasting their time calculating the diameter of a circle, attending mandatory pep assemblies and dissecting great books instead of enjoying them. If every graduating senior had to read Tom Robbins, Fay Weldon, Alice Walker, Pat Conroy, and Wendell Berry, we'd have far fewer lawyers, accountants, BBAs and SUVs, money-grubbing dullards and greedy, self-absorbed, appearance-obsessed boneheads, and far more useful, spiritual, generous, warm and enlightened young people with a sense of humor and of obligation to their fellow humans and other creatures, and awareness of the majestic cosmic WOW. "To the teenagers in question -- welcome to the ranks of the 'adults' -- have as much fun as you can, READ, remember that everything is funny if you look at it the right way, and keep your eyes open for the grown-ups with a gleam in their eyes -- we are everywhere once you learn not to overlook us, and we will surprise you; some of us are having a WONDERFUL time here." And ELEANOR relates, "I grew up on an isolated farm in West Michigan in the '50s where the summer meant no social contact outside the immediate family and if you even *thought* of the words 'I'm bored,' you were assigned a work task that would make a grown man think twice about his choice of being in the farming business. For a skinny kid, I was strong in body. Even more so, I became adept at time-travel within the realms of books, the study of history even then being my favorite. I'm sure you wouldn't be able to get a kid to read what I would recommend, but here goes: "James Burke's 'The Day the Universe Changed.' An easy-to-read tome that outlines the changes of human existence, at least for the Western world, through the progress of the centuries. . . . This book is the one I always answer the 'If you were stuck on a deserted island with just one book' question [with]. Another book that I would recommend, but no one seems to take me up on, is Mark Twain's 'A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court.' Perhaps not his best book in terms of dialogue, but one of the best books I have ever read on the subject of economics. Kids are consumers, and even more so, are going to grow up and become wage earners and even bigger consumers. Not a bad idea to understand how the specie of the day works. It is really a shame that children are ruined for Mark Twain early in middle school. . . ." "I am 21-years-old now and these are the best books I read at 16 years old," writes one wise young adult. "I fully suggest them to other teenagers: "1. 'Survival Into The 21st Century, A Planetary Healer's Manual' by Viktoras Kulvinskas. This book touches a multi- spectrum of life teachings unfolding human potential. This guide also displays very special art. "2. 'Black Dawn, Bright Day,' 'Medicine Wheel,' and any other book by Sunbear. Every person who feels disconnected should fill out the Earth Changes preparedness guide furnished in 'Black Dawn, Bright Day.' It really helped me as a teenager when I was wondering about how to contribute in this society. Sunbear has a very humble and strong way of communicating his visions and I am very grateful to have been introduced to these books because they are very grounding. "3. 'Greening Cities: Building Just and Sustainable Communities' by Joan Roelofs. I picked this one up at The Other Economic Summit in Denver in when I was 17 and the book totally fits the summit's key phrase: 'If the People Will Lead the Leaders Will Follow.' "4. 'The Secret Life of Plants,' and 'The Secret Life of Soil' by Christopher Bird and Peter Tompkins. 'The Secret Life of Plants' shows us through scientific experimentation that plants have ESP. When I read this book and 'Secrets of The Soil,' my whole perception was changed about organic life around me." And here's a great anonymous suggestion that we pinky-swear we didn't write ourselves: "Most positively, THE TELEVISIONARY ORACLE. This book might and can save many lost (young or old) souls. This little gem of wisdom not only holds the key to champion the young pubescent minds and bodies into their coming of own, this book has helped me (way beyond my formative years) to go back and 'save' the me that once was to help me better love and understand the me I am today." (Speaking of icky consumerism, you can buy any of these books through Rob's page on Powells.com: http://www.powells.com/portals/Astrology.html .) //////////a word from our kind sponsors\\\\\\\\\\\\ You're not nine months old. Don't let the media spoon-fed you. Alternative news from alternative America. Newcity.com http://www.newcity.com ///////////////read 'em and leap\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ FREE ADS FOR GENIUSES! It seems apropos to keep the theme running, with these two happy shills from readers recommending more than just books: BRENDAN hails, "Xenos Books (http://www.xenosbooks.com). [This] is one brilliant California resident's attempt at getting fine literature into the hands of the brilliant, academic, insightful and/or fun-loving who have tired of the status quo and desire a book with a little meat and magic to it. Oh, you might not think of Xenos Books as a do-good project, but I do. I interned with the guy, and mass media culture makes his stomach turn. This is his fight. His company's on a shoestring budget, too, so every book bought (especially through the mail rather than Amazon.com) helps a little bit more. No, this is NOT my company, but I AM trying to help him market it to people who'd appreciate his books. And since *I* love Free Will Astrology and Xenos Books, I thought I'd throw this out to share with everybody else." Fair enough, and the "Books We Wished We Had Published" link is particularly good. "I'm going to go out on a limb here," writes NANCY, "by recommending a book written by a dear friend. I was the editor, so I'm prejudiced, but I believe strongly that this little book offers humor, hope and inspiration to those in need. Check it out at http://www.oneleggedcricket.com . It's called: 'A One-Legged Cricket,' by C.J. Macgenn." According to the Web site, "One-Legged Cricket" helps to provide community for aspiring writers. Perhaps there's something for you there. ** Send us YOUR recommendation for a wickedly cool do-gooder whose sweetness won't give us the jitters by writing to: freewillastrology@newcity.com . +++++++++++++++ ** This Week's Contest: STRANGER THAN FICTION. This week, Rob encourages you to send in those secrets you might normally only tell to a stranger. You know how it is: you are casually chatting with someone on a train, bus, or plane -- and before you know it, you're either spilling your deepest soul or casually making up lie after exuberant lie on the spot. Settle into the seat next to us by e-mailing The Secret Bank at freewillastrology@newcity.com . Please MAKE UP A NAME, and give a preferred street address for mailing purposes. As always, we encourage falsehoods of all stripes. +++ Historians might someday remark about the FWA Newsletter that it "could calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, dance a minuet, and play the violin," but it would never sell your addresses. +++ ** Last Week's Contest: BRICK WALL. Two weeks ago, Rob offered this quote by writer Phil Cousineau -- "Centuries of travel lore suggest that when we no longer know where to turn, our real journey has just begun" -- and asked you to give an example from your own life. While we specialize in tomfoolery, it's truly an honor to be able to share your experiences and thoughts with the FWA community, particularly when the humanity spills out everywhere, as it does this week. On June 20, this traveler related, "Three days ago, my boyfriend of four years told me he didn't know what he wanted anymore. Our love affair has had its ups and downs, and I haven't always been sure where it was headed. I've often equated our relationship to banging my head against a brick wall. For years his needs have been my only concern, sadly ahead of my own. Now my wall is gone, the road is laid in front of me clear and wide with innumerable winding side streets, and my head and heart are unsure how to react. I'm feeling lonely and disoriented, yet also unhindered and euphoric in a way I have never known. I have more time for myself than I know what to do with, but I'm terrified that I won't like what I find, or worse yet, that I won't find anything at all. Truly, my journey is just beginning." LALA voices the freely trapped feeling of early motherhood, saying of her first-born babe, "I couldn't take my eyes off her and couldn't halt the pounding in my blood to leave." That's a familiar feeling to any honest parent, but LALA finds a way out through, "Discovering that flight is fairy tales before lights out with lavishly illustrated children's books, followed by long oil- laced baths heavy with lavender or mint-eucalyptus. Being married 10 years and discovering I like him even more, find him sexier and more lovable, a thing I never thought I would experience. . . . True travel began when I found there was nowhere else to run. When, sitting in my ancient, crumbling Volvo station wagon I received a blow to the sternum from my inner travel agent, reminding me that until I learned to wholly love and accept all that my spouse was, I could not do the same for myself. Realizing as I watch my children sleep that the journey within is the ultimate challenge, and I and my divine inner sharks hold the only map. That despite half a life of constant globe circling, the only place to end up is home. . . . . Sometimes simply to sit, shut up, and know it is all happening, with or without my opinion." KRISTINE WINTER writes at length of a recent trip to Germany, during which all her prejudices borne from WWII were blown cleanly away, revealing the real people and culture beneath. Speaking presumably for herself, she concludes, "I think perhaps now that we have successfully traveled the globe, we should start that journey all over again. This time, we should move slower, get off the freeways, go through the two-lane roads and really learn about the places we see. Why do people still think all Southerners are racists? Why do we fear the Japanese and their incredible technological skills? How can it be that even today, we have made no effort to learn more about the problems in Africa? Sure, siteseeing is a lot of fun and can be educational even more educational is taking the time to stop and listen to the people who live in the area you are visiting. This new type of travel should be consider the next big adventure -- exploring the known to find those hidden depths." FIREFISH emerged from a brutal relationship into a loving one, replete with bended knee and engagement ring. After she agreed to wed, her fiancé asked her to convert her religion, a promise they had earlier decided not to make, but one she now felt compelled to agree to. She underwent the ritual and "the brick wall came after the conversion ceremony, when I realized that . . .as I tried to bend to this new way of thinking, I hurt. Deep in my soul there was such grief and pain as I cannot even put to words." She broke off the engagement. "While I was sad, and scared -- I never looked back. I tossed aside the safety net of a 'normal life'. . . it hasn't been easy, nor has it all been pretty. I indulged in some really drastic relationships just to feel something, as if I had been numb for all those years and now I just wanted to soak up all the sensations I could -- good, bad and ugly. I have made some huge mistakes in my decisions, as well as wonderful and glorious good decisions. The thing that has changed is that they are all decisions -- conscious ones. I have found strength that I didn't know I had to survive and grow from the things that toppled off the edge of my sanity. Instead of these things ruling me and breaking me, I rode the waves they made. . . . bottom line is that all this prosperity of the soul started out by selling it off for a ring and a warm body at night." And M.T. relates that for him, "the decision to drop out of high school when I was 17, though not high on my list of recommendations for others, is the biggest 90-degree turn I've ever made; it is also one of the most beneficial off-ramps I have ever taken. I could not have known at that time that I would reinvent myself through the pursuit of a tailor-made education in the Arts, but I knew that my desire to be educated was strong. So I made the decision, stuck by it, moved on, and I've never looked back with anything but gratitude for the *opportunity* to be weighed by that choice. Dropping out, running away from the face of adversity, is not usually how to benefit from a challenge. But if it is done with an explicit desire towards positive change and followed through with determined aspirations, dropping out is akin to disarming a bully with one's own inner peace -- knowing that there is a path of less resistance." HEIDI's family raised her to be an English professor. Dutifully, she eked out a bachelor's degree and began the slog through an Arizona graduate school. "Fifteen hours into my master's coursework, I was bored and sailing through school with a 3.3 and very little effort. The final straw, the gods' last-ditch attempt to get me on a new life path, came in 20th Century British and Irish Poetry. I was prepared [to give] a talk on the swan imagery in Yeats' later poetry, the paper written, the notecards clasped in my sweaty palm and all I could think of was: Who gives a rat's ass about this? Do you people really mean to spend your lives debating this? I couldn't say that out loud, so I stood there. Just stared at them, they at me, and licked my lips repeatedly. Finally, my professor had mercy and let me sit down. I stayed in the class, got a B, and then dropped out. I was 28, living in a strange place, working at Applebee's [restaurant] and had just thrown away five years of school, not to mention the student loans! So I took a ride to Sedona, sat on a mountain and asked the universe: Well, what now? I'd like to say a thunderbolt knocked me on my ass, but I just sat there, thinking about what it was that made me happy. And that's when I decided to go to art school. Six years later, I'm on the right path, making jewelry and metal sculptures and loving every minute of it. Of course, I never did finish school, but to quote William Hurt in 'The Big Chill,' 'I'm not hung up on that completion thing.' The main thing is, I've never been happier. And my family? Well, they've got free jewelry repair for life, so there's been no complaints!" QUEENV found herself out of a marriage and in a new town with a suckling baby and no support system. Slowly she rebuilt her life, went to college, and is almost finished with her coursework. But none of this is the brick wall she describes as when telling of her journey to be her true self, a self that is actually, not figuratively, at odds with society. "I need to be crazy in order to stay sane. Instead of behaving in the prescribed doctrines of this culture that I must live in, I need to be who I am. I need to say no when I mean no, yes when I mean yes, and smile only at the people I want to smile at, instead of trying to make everyone at ease. I know it will be difficult. The doctors and nurses at the hospital were so gentle, trying so hard not to break an already fractured soul by going out of their way to make things as easy as possible. That is me. I have always fancied myself a spiritual healer. The spirit is too unpredictable, too slippery to grasp. I am in training to be a writer, not a doctor or rabbi. If I am to remain intact, it will be by stitching new patterns on this surface of my life. It will be by being as truly crazy as I am." "Some 10-plus years ago, my Brick Wall was the confusion about life that makes every adolescent scream like an enraged banshee," writes JUDD. "'Why is it so damn hard for everyone to take the [patience and] time to agree!' I ended up writing a one page short story as an answer to myself. Not only did it make me feel a hell of a lot better, but it started a love of writing that is with me to this day, a continuing journey I cannot imagine living without." "I reply," says PHOENIX, shaking ashes on the carpet, "[that] when the world falls away our wings will sustain us." And finally, BRIDJET tells how she was with an "ass-soul" for four tough years that gradually dwindled into physical and emotional violence on a terrifying scale. "Finally we had a fight that I consider more brutal than rugby. He told me he had nothing to lose and would kill me the first chance he had. He threw things of mine away while I was gone, and ruined my things in front of me, knowing that I didn't have the strength to get in his way. He threatened every part of my life, my family and friends and unborn child. That was when I ran face-first into the brick wall of yore. I knew this man I had made myself completely vulnerable to had the resources to ruin my life, and along with being scared out of my skin, I realized that it didn't matter. I had nowhere to go, nobody to talk to, and was truly on my own to survive it. But the universe has its reasons for everything. I was going through hell for a reason, I didn't know the reason -- still don't -- but what I DO know now is when you hit that brick wall, you cannot slump down in front of it and sob. Either get around the wall or tear the fucker down, because the longer you stick around, the harder it becomes to leave the distorted comfort of the wall. I guess I have had to start my life over since then, and it was not long enough ago to know what I will learn from this. I feel so VERY free, though, I am sure that is part of the new journey beginning. But I know about the wall, ah yes: The wall and I go waaaay back." THERE'S NO CONTEST this week. 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From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Jul 4 02:46:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta590.mail.yahoo.com (mta590.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.119]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f648k6H54313 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta590.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 4 01:46:05 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta590.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2001 01:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.227] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A6E086900F4; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 04:42:08 -0400 Message-ID: <20010704084559.97488.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.191.122.33] by web12604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 01:45:59 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:45:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Subject: Re: EE: Bring On The Power Plants! To: e.e@visionplants.org In-Reply-To: <01ef01c1042b$84405d00$df3c2dc8@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO I had to repost this, I love it!! Is Dale Pendel on this list? or is this taken from a book? if it is I'd like to know which one. (Phamakopoeia?) Bring On The Power Plants! >All the palmate-leaved ones, the > pinnate, and the pinnatifid, the entire - >Rosy Hawaiian babies, wise Mazatec sages, > and the old Indian rope trick. >Come on, you indoles, you terpenes, > you alkaloids, you medice plants. >Hello, star-eyed betel juice plants, Amazonian > vine plants, Chihuahuan cacti; >Come, blue-eyed witch plants; come you > dung-loving fun guys . . . > >Come on, O rueful Syrians, > and all you thick-smelling > solanaceous plants; >You cultivated-in-rows tobacco and coca plants; >You maligned poppy plants and worshipped > grapevine plants - >All forgotten plants, and fad plants: >Come forth, you motley troop - > not a gentleman among you - >Not one that won't lie, cheat, or swindle > a ride - >Come, all ye ruffians: >Be fruitful, we have need of poison > >- Dale Pendell > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Jul 4 06:46:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta461.mail.yahoo.com (mta461.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.126]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f64Ck1H64513 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:46:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta461.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 4 05:46:00 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta461.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2001 05:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF10E1800F4; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 08:41:52 -0400 Received: from adnsvo63fs8rww9.cableinet.co.uk ([62.31.24.92]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:47:52 +0100 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010704134204.00a63638@pop.cableinet.co.uk> X-Sender: jgys01806@pop.cableinet.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:44:59 +0100 To: ee-digest From: Jim Gilliland Subject: EE: EE download this Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail2.thuntek.net id f64Ck1H64513 Status: RO Ay up! familEE Thanks Davoid for this link: >Caught this URL of "Terence McKenna media downloads": >http://www.elftrance.com/mckenna.htm > >Tons of Terence MP3 and real audio files to download. >kewl animated gifs too >BYOB: Bring your own broadband i've been trying (unsuccessfully so far) to download some of these thru napster for some time now. if anyone has broadband and a cd burner...... i have a hunger you might be able to sate ...... please mail me off list thanx in advance C-ya ! J.*A*.G =8¬~ ---------- "...and i will raise up for them a plant of reknown." Ezekiel 34 v29 From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Jul 4 08:14:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta424.mail.yahoo.com (mta424.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.79]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f64EERH69898 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:14:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta424.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 4 07:14:26 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta424.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2001 07:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.35] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A3D227D0100; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:10:26 -0400 Received: from [208.25.57.111] (208-25-57-111.stk.inreach.net [208.25.57.111]) by smtp.inreach.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f64EEFE14045 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:14:15 -0700 X-Sender: spanda@pop3.inreach.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:13:52 -0700 To: e.e@visionplants.org From: spanda@inreach.com Subject: EE: OT: Humour Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO This is a story about a couple who had been happily married for 40 yrs. The only friction in their marriage was the husband's habit of farting loudly every morning when he woke. The noise would wake his wife and the smell would make her eyes water and make her gasp for air. Every morning she would plead with him to stop ripping them off because it was making her sick. He told her he couldn't stop it and that it was perfectly natural. She told him to see a Doctor; she was concerned that one day he would blow his guts out. The years went by and he continued to rip them out! Then one Thanksgiving morning as she was preparing the turkey for dinner and he was upstairs sound asleep, she looked at the bowl where she had put the turkey innards and neck, gizzard, liver and all the spare parts and a malicious thought came to her. She took the bowl and went upstairs where her husband was sound asleep and gently pulling back the bed covers she pulled back the elastic waistband of his underpants and emptied the bowl of turkey guts into his shorts. Some time later she heard her husband waken with his usual trumpeting which was followed by a blood curdling scream and the sound of frantic footsteps as he ran into the bathroom. The wife could hardly control herself as she rolled on the floor laughing; tears in her eyes. After years of torture she reckoned she had got her own back. About twenty minutes later, her husband came downstairs in his bloodstained underpants with a look of horror on his face. She bit her lip as she asked him what was the matter. He said, Honey, you were right. All those years you warned me and I didn't listen to you." "What do you mean," asked his wife. "Well, you always told me that one day I would end up farting my guts out and today it finally happened. But.....by the grace of God, some Vaseline and these two fingers, I think I got most of them back in." From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Jul 4 08:40:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta582.mail.yahoo.com (mta582.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.111]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f64EeWH72064 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta582.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 4 07:40:31 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta582.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2001 07:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.93] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9C031E0100; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:35:44 -0400 Message-ID: <20010704143935.53403.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.68.131.109] by web10401.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 07:39:35 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:39:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Johnson Subject: EE: quote of the day To: dawnmichele27@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO If you love the sacred and despise the ordinary, you are still bobbing in the ocean of delusion. - Lin-Chi Exactly! Always, Dawn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Jul 4 10:29:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta498.mail.yahoo.com (mta498.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.206]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f64GTuH79035 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta498.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 4 09:29:55 2001 -0700 X-Track: 4: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta498.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2001 09:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A39530300F8; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 12:25:57 -0400 Received: from [63.20.119.94] (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08316 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:29:47 -0700 (PDT) From: davoid48@mail.earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010704143935.53403.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010704143935.53403.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:38:54 -0600 To: e.e@visionplants.org Subject: Re: EE: quote of the day Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO >If you love the sacred and despise the ordinary, >you are still bobbing in the ocean of delusion. >- Lin-Chi I just love these sacred aphorisms. They let me rise out of the mundane and ordinary -- From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Jul 4 14:33:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta319.mail.yahoo.com (mta319.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.107.51]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f64KXtH94881 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:33:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta319.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 4 13:33:54 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta319.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2001 13:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ACC48F40100; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 16:29:56 -0400 Received: from [63.20.119.94] (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23158 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:33:24 -0700 (PDT) From: davoid48@mail.earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007b01c1042c$d700a3a0$26d5ffd1@vajrastar> References: <007b01c1042c$d700a3a0$26d5ffd1@vajrastar> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:42:12 -0600 To: e.e@visionplants.org Subject: Re: EE: goldman lifeboat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Controlled folly: you are looking at a cross-section of the inside of charles goldman's head, folks. > i almost had a special laison with Christa, Posey and > Patrice Lumumba. i should have taken my chances and > went ahead. i couldn't really say what i felt though. > i was afraid of stepping on too many toes with my > clown feet. then i got pregnant and had to concentrate > on its meaning for 9 months. or was it a novel? > > i love them at Lifeboat. some old friends are on Lifeboat. > i was in love with AMYRYLLA for so long. i would dream > of her luxurious hair and soft goddess voice purring > with little dots in it like these ... and my heart > oh god my heart still pounds for her way off in > Hong Kong, which reminds me ... witch reminds me, the great unanswered philosophical question remains: Is Charles Goldman merely a random misfiring of thousands of neuroses in the brain? or is his mesmerizing prose a hyperdimensional hydroponic description of the next higher level of the evolution of consciousness? I guess we all can surmise the answer to that question. -- From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Jul 4 15:10:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta319.mail.yahoo.com (mta319.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.107.51]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f64LAcH97070 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:10:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta319.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 4 14:10:37 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta319.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2001 14:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A56036400F8; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 17:06:40 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp id 15Htup-00065a-00 for e.e@visionplants.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 21:10:31 +0000 Received: from [209.69.60.90] (helo=ewhdell330) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp id 15Htuo-0001a1-00 for e.e@visionplants.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 21:10:31 +0000 From: "Ted Harrington" To: Subject: RE: EE: EE download this Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:12:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010704134204.00a63638@pop.cableinet.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Here's another Terence audio file online. It's 9-hour Esalen event from August, 1998. Scroll down and click on "Technopagans at the End of History" http://www.hyperreal.org/~mpesce/ Most people don't have time to listen to this stuff, but I'm the wild-eyed, deranged exception. I have a huge collection of Terence audio, and I recorded this one to MP3 while I sat listening at my computer. Terence's written words are fine, but his spoken word can be magic. I didn't think to post these links to ee. But Davoid posted the elftrance link (thanks), and J.*A*.G expressed interest, so let it be known that I'm a resource in this arena. The MP3 rights are complex and annoying. Jason of New Zealand has Dennis McKenna's blessing for putting Dennis's Art Bell audio on the elftrance site. Jason hasn't asked Art Bell. It's unlikely I'll do the rights dance and put any major Terence audio online. I *am* thinking about putting a few short excerpts onto the web. A few treasures. Ted From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Jul 4 16:03:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta313.mail.yahoo.com (mta313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.107.45]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f64M3qH00157 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:03:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta313.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 4 15:03:51 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta313.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2001 15:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A1DB4B100F8; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 17:59:55 -0400 Received: from [63.20.119.94] (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26833 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: davoid48@mail.earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20010704143935.53403.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:12:12 -0600 To: e.e@visionplants.org Subject: EE: Dog Bashing (Getting Even) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO This "humorous" piece was written for my satirical Postal Carrier newsletter shortly after my dog bite years ago: This newsletter often deals with controversial issues. Once in a while it behooves us to comment on something about which everyone will share 100% agreement. Of course, we are discussing the absolute necessity of removing all pet dogs from the residents of the United States. Of course, the only way to do this effectively will be to make it a Constitutional Amendment. We do not want to take away anyone's justifiable right to self-determination, so we are offering them the choice of three alternatives. They can take their dog to a certified taxidermist to have it stuffed for display purposes. They can have the dog euthanized and freeze dried free of charge for shipment as food to the hungry, starving people of Africa and Asia, or lastly pet owners can sautee their pet pooches, mixed with road kill, and go into business as burrito vendors. Quite a few local residents have availed themselves of this option already. The elimination of the plague on the planet which the pet pooch represents would save the Postal service umpteen thousands of dollars per year. So many carrier trips to the doctor could be avoided. At least 50% of all customer-carrier bad relations are the result of pet canines and their owners failure to control them. Most rational people, if given the opportunity to reflect on it for a moment, would certainly agree that it is morally untenable to house and feed a canine when there are homeless and starving human beings anywhere on the planet.It's obvious that these vicious and foul-smelling canine beasts are taking food right out of the mouths of hungry Homo sapiens. This is a situation our society can no longer continue to tolerate. Its only a matter of adjusting our attitudes and priorities a little bit. It's time we opened up a little and began to share a little bit of our wealth with those starving humans living in abject poverty in the third world. And what better way to begin than by giving up something which is very precious to us, but in reality is a type of malignant growth upon the body of our mother Earth, i.e., the members of the species, Canis familiaris. Can you imagine a world not poisoned by the unbearable stench of dog poop? If you can, I think you can begin to see the wisdom of our plan. We are talking here about the rebirth of the Garden of Eden. In truth, there are really only three reasons why people choose to own pet dogs. All of those reasons represent serious deviations into psychopathology. The first reason for dog ownership is for the release of aggression. People who are of low rank in society's hierarchy often find themselves being kicked around by higher ups. As a result, many of them are full of pent-up anxiety. These folks purchase pets to even the score. Most of these people feel a great emotional release when they beat, kick, thrash, and pummel their dogs. The second reason for dog ownership is that many people lack the social skills and proper upbringing to know how to exchange love with other human beings. It is a sad state of affairs that our technocratic society makes inter-human affection such a taboo that we must pay hundreds of dollars so that smelly, germ-ridden, flea-infested beasts can lick our faces to give us that little jolt of affection that is so sorely lacking in our lonely lives. The third reason for dog ownership is a voyeuristic passion for watching animals engage uninhibitedly in behaviors that are forbidden for humans but which we nonetheless crave from the depths of our beings. Acts such as viciously attacking the mailman, licking any part of one's anatomy that one wants, and urinating on trees are but a few of the more obvious examples. We live out our secret fantasies vicariously through our pet dogs. When dogs are excommunicated from this continent by our proposed Constitutional Amendment, only then will we be able to wake up to the horrid hypnotic state of degeneration and degradation that dog ownership has inflicted on our collective psyche.Then and only then we can begin our course toward psychic healing. We can then stop transferring our deep, vicious, aggressive tendencies to our pets. We can stop using our pets to inflict suffering on our human bothers and sisters. We can learn to share love with other humans, and we can stop losing ourselves in these fantasies of bestiality which are the only true reasons for dog ownership. -- From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Jul 4 17:20:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta316.mail.yahoo.com (mta316.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.107.48]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f64NK2H04483 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:20:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta316.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 4 16:20:01 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta316.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2001 16:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.227] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A3B368200F8; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 19:16:03 -0400 Message-ID: <20010704231955.60987.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.191.122.113] by web12604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 16:19:55 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Subject: Re: EE: Enehn Dmitri To: e.e@visionplants.org, ee@visionplants.org In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010704180119.00a93260@mail.wf.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO I though this message never made it to the list, i never got it, anyhoo, this tour is officially cancelled to due certain circumstances. and Chaffyn, is that right? e.e ? or ee? --- Chaffyn wrote: > At 01:50 PM 6/6/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Enehn Dmitri is doing a cross-country tour! If you > >would like him to show up in yuor home town or > arrange > > personal meetings, contact me personally: > >evan@shpongle.com > > > >===== > > === > Hi Evan ... > === > > Please use this addy for EE: e.e@visionplants.org > > Tanx! :~) > > === > Chaffyn > === > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Jul 4 17:20:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta463.mail.yahoo.com (mta463.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.128]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f64NK3H04490 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:20:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta463.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 4 16:20:02 2001 -0700 X-Track: 6: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta463.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2001 16:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.227] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A3B39100F0; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 19:16:03 -0400 Message-ID: <20010704231955.60987.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.191.122.113] by web12604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 16:19:55 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Subject: Re: EE: Enehn Dmitri To: e.e@visionplants.org, ee@visionplants.org In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010704180119.00a93260@mail.wf.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO I though this message never made it to the list, i never got it, anyhoo, this tour is officially cancelled to due certain circumstances. and Chaffyn, is that right? e.e ? or ee? --- Chaffyn wrote: > At 01:50 PM 6/6/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Enehn Dmitri is doing a cross-country tour! If you > >would like him to show up in yuor home town or > arrange > > personal meetings, contact me personally: > >evan@shpongle.com > > > >===== > > === > Hi Evan ... > === > > Please use this addy for EE: e.e@visionplants.org > > Tanx! :~) > > === > Chaffyn > === > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Jul 4 18:18:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta416.mail.yahoo.com (mta416.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.68]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f650IpH07819 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 18:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta416.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 4 17:18:48 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta416.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2001 17:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.intergate.ca [207.34.179.108] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A17A1FA00F0; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 20:14:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 80516 invoked by uid 1007); 5 Jul 2001 00:34:34 -0000 Received: from revmed@intergate.ca by hermes.intergate.ca with qmail-scanner-0.93 (uvscan: v4.0.50/v4146. . Clean. Processed in 0.385935 secs); 04/07/2001 17:34:34 Received: from gateway-208.181.239.68.intergate.ca (HELO oemcomputer) (208.181.239.68) by hermes.intergate.ca with SMTP; 5 Jul 2001 00:34:33 -0000 From: "\(r\)evolution" To: Subject: EE: FW: blogger Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:12:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c104e7$266cb720$25efb5d0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO well, it's done, friends. i'm now a "blogger." part of the blog generation. like the Pepsi generation. if'n you'd like to peruse m' blog, write me and i'll send you there. today, it's just some goddamned foolin' around. but it's bound to heat up soon. i respond to no "what is a blog?" type questions. "catch the meme... the jodyMeme." j From 2056761@bounce.zooba.com Wed Jul 4 23:30:11 2001 Return-Path: <2056761@bounce.zooba.com> Received: from zoobmail001.zooba.com (zoobmail001.zooba.com [216.251.240.35]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f655UBH24972 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 23:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 2056761@bounce.zooba.com) Message-Id: <200107050530.f655UBH24972@mail2.thuntek.net> Received: from zoobapp002 (10.208.83.165) by zoobmail001.zooba.com (PowerMTA(TM) v1.0); Thu, 5 Jul 2001 01:30:04 -0400 (envelope-from <2056761@bounce.zooba.com>) From: Zooba Theology & Spirituality To: valor@global-dialog.org Subject: Norse Cosmology: The Expression of a Warrior Culture Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 05:30:04 X-Mailer: ZSMTPConnection v1.0 Reply-To: support@zooba.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO It's time for another "Theology & Spirituality" email on "Norse Cosmology: The Expression of a Warrior Culture" (text version below). 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Click here to go to your account From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 04:34:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta426.mail.yahoo.com (mta426.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.81]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65AYSH38353 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 04:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta426.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 03:34:27 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta426.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 03:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A1C61A9300F4; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 06:30:30 -0400 Received: from jmsemachine ([12.81.86.101]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010705103420.LPZK5127.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@jmsemachine> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:34:20 +0000 From: "Webdriver" To: Subject: RE: EE: There is no final techno-entheo truth Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 03:36:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010702231713.00a64fd0@pop.cableinet.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Hey Jim, >> If nature can create these technologies (through our species) from a dimension of thought (where all things reside until we bring them into being through our material efforts), then what of our trips? << Profound truth number one! Why is it we find it hard to recognize that a planet is materializing these epigenetic tools by using the talking monkeys, (a late evolutionary trick) to bring them from the realm of hyperspace (imagination) into reality (whatever that is). >> Imagine the complexities of what could "be" when we merge with this higher dimensional reality.<< Weird! That's all I can say. love, light & peace, webdriver :-) -----Original Message----- From: e.e-owner@visionplants.org [mailto:e.e-owner@visionplants.org]On Behalf Of Jim Gilliland Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:04 PM To: ee-digest Subject: Re: EE: There is no final techno-entheo truth hey pEEple: Evan wrote: > So whats next, what's 'the next big thing?' Its like >we have this panorama of technology merging with >nature (nano-tech, gentics, AI, VR, accelarating 3D >animation, etc) all pointing to some kind of >technological singularity, beyond which we can't see, >we have no ideas. the technological totality symbol: the light device. concrescence: completion, ending, beginning: metamorphosis, transmutation, understanding and fulfillment language is changing, the evolution to being is begun no longer the wordage, the numbering and counting of little pieces, the rearrangement of blocks to form meaning. The contemplation will be in the living: the immediate experience and inevitable infinity of I AM (for i am "is" it all). >So fine, Terence was right, but is >the job of synergizing and channeling new concepts >completely left to the scientists now? If that seems >to be the case then then there is probably some other >end of the spectrum that is being ignored,, The mind >of the cosmos?, the mind of the future?, minds from >the future? the secret pasts? the secret presents? >I dont know i guess I'm a little bored, but you catch >my drift. i've written back to you several times now, none of the posts making it to the out tray. Why? Because language is inept and the medium as treacle. We cannot penetrate these ultimate realms from this dimension. We can only bring back fragments, so our discussions become fragmented. The shaman attempts to bridge the upper and below and traditionally the conductive action is through art, through non verbal communication: transcendent and resplendent and utterly incomprehensible to those not treading a nearby path. And of me? i create community instead, in my limited daily view. i aim to "be" what i intend and to be to the best of my ability. The future could go so many ways and yet we can only speak from our personal convictions. My conviction, shewn to me by a teacher of vegetal character, was one of union with the other: a return to the past by escaping to the future, where these "technologies" we have created will seem like toys: a preparation for the real deal. If nature can create these technologies (through our species) from a dimension of thought (where all things reside until we bring them into being through our material efforts), then what of our trips? Imagine the complexities of what could "be" when we merge with this higher dimensional reality. We cannot anticipate what will be: just as we cannot anticipate the content of the vegetal voyage prior to departure. >usually a mystical or meta-phisical model for reality >is used to cope with reality before it is discovered >as a scientific realm of factual exploration. So we >do we have any new metaphisical models or maps? myths >even? or is the amount of unkown and mysterious >exactly what is accelerating so exponentially? Patience is the only way: we have to unhook ourselves from the pace-car: else be smushed >The weirdest thing around human consciousness right >now is DMT and trypatamine entheogens. the >implications of what we experience on these compounds >is ridiculously incredible. >I understand patience is high virtue, but what the >fuck? i read the reports DMT trips on websites, >Strassman's book, friends,, what the hell is going on? > If it always feels 'more real than real' then can we >start to piece some of these things together? like >get a plot going or something. this is the final readout, all is underway. I'm hoping we will all be drawn together by inevitability: death at the worst (though that's not such a bad thing, once you get to see the other side): within our lifetimes at best. >contemporary >myth-structure might be a good tool to use against the >language problem, a new language is forming: the precursor to an evolutionary metamorphosis >people used to create mythology >because they couldn't understand things like >lightning, the Sun, biology, but when science came in >and took the place of myth and religion, we thought we >knew it all, except for that little problem of >everything (creation and infinity) so we made one big >god to sit in the throne of the unknowable(infinite & >everything), but now the diverse influx of mystery is >back and coming on strong,, "fractals, computers, >quarks, black holes, inhabited Paralel dimensions for >chrissakes! from a distance, it's all beautiful >so psychedelics are healing (really nice word), >entheogens are illuminating, and tryptamines will show >you a place where insect aliens with a sense of humor >we all wish we had are performing psche-somatic >operations on us with morphing tools of living >technology,, but when we do go through the stunning >beauty of hyperdimensional geometry and face the >beings eyes to eyes, what do they tell you? what do >they teach you? what do they show you? many things to me: many more to others here. For me: a community, a tranquility, terrible things in the world at large, a new energy, a new language, a new relationship to nature: like a bio-augmented reality interface, new ways of living, not based on capitalism but cooperation, externalised material creation, a new technology, the union of afterlife with life in projection chambers, the refraction of dimensions and ultimately the inheritance of the earth by those who refused to judge the world before it came "down on them". you did ask >no, seriously, anyone care to share? >to be continued? i wish i had posted the earlier attempts to respond, but so much i say is crass: words are empty. *This* is why we need the plant teachers, why we need to "listen" to what they have to tell us. Although it's a while since i partook, i note the Other always places the teachers in my life whenever i need them and not unless. Within my city mary jane is popular and she whispers sweet things in my ears daily - continuing the communication from the continuum. I treat my time with her as precious, for she feeds me more than i can comprehend. There are other conduits: I even hear my Gran and Terence, departed friends and the life and lives around me speak to me as well, but without the plants: i cannot let go enough to decipher their meaning or even recognise i'm being spoken to. >-Evan seek the plants: they have something interesting to tell you >ps i feel like Cartman when he says, "I love you guys" >(because I do:) i'm British i don't do that sort of thing, sorry old chap ;) C-ya ! J.*A*.G =8¬~ ---------- "...and i will raise up for them a plant of reknown." Ezekiel 34 v29 From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 04:44:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta493.mail.yahoo.com (mta493.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.201]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65AiSH38735 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 04:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta493.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 03:44:27 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta493.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 03:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A41E1AD500F4; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 06:40:30 -0400 Received: from jmsemachine ([12.81.86.101]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010705104421.MGYN13460.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@jmsemachine>; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:44:21 +0000 From: "Webdriver" To: Cc: Subject: RE: EE: taking off Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 03:46:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <2034170266.994171615@aha406.ccs.itd.umich.edu> Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO josh, >>Hey ee'ers. I've been a lurker lately, but have enjoyed reading all of your adventures. There has come a time in my when I must let some things go. << Be sure to send a note to the moderators. I think a message to e.e-owner@visionplants.org will take care of your request. Good luck with the studies. We'll keep a light on for ya! love, light & peace, webdriver :-) From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 05:10:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta535.mail.yahoo.com (mta535.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.16]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65BABH39797 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta535.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 04:10:10 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta535.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 04:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA2520F00EE; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 07:06:13 -0400 Received: from jmsemachine ([12.81.86.101]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010705111004.DFAM1777.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@jmsemachine> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:10:04 +0000 From: "Webdriver" To: Subject: RE: EE: Alien Hanky-Panky Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 04:12:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <058501c1040f$e96deb00$91227418@satan> Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO >> If we pass this crucial test then we will have graduated into the cosmological adulthood and will be permitted to join the other "species" out there. As long as we haven't evolved spiritually to the degree of our technology we will appear to be the only intelligent life in the Universe (to ourselves and the general public).<< Yes, this was Carl Sagan's scenario. Pretty much addressed in the movie, "Contact". He described it in "levels" and that we are basically a Level "0" civilization. I don't know about the rest of your post, Robert. Seems pretty much like trailer court myth to me, but I don't rule out the idea secret government quasi-military forces are at work to keep us on the planet. I just get nervous about the "they" word. Sounds a lot like folks I run into quite often in treatment at the psych hospital where I work. But there are strange conspiracies happening all the time... like Iran-Contra, Air America, etc. It's just a lot weirder. It sort of fits with the Scully & Mulder crowd (of which I must admit I'm one but for purely entertainment purposes). Guess I'll have to go on not believing anything. It's a lot safer that way. You don't have to fight for it if you don't believe it. love, light & peace, webdriver :-) From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 05:26:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta317.mail.yahoo.com (mta317.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.107.49]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65BQEH40400 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta317.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 04:26:11 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta317.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 04:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ADE527500EE; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 07:22:13 -0400 Received: from jmsemachine ([12.81.86.101]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010705112603.DGIA1777.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@jmsemachine> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:26:03 +0000 From: "Webdriver" To: Subject: RE: EE: OT: Humour Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 04:28:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO >>by the grace of God, some Vaseline and these two fingers, I think I got most of them back in."<< (laughing) Okay, so I have the sense of humor of a 5th grader. I liked it! webdriver :-) From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 05:35:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta535.mail.yahoo.com (mta535.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.16]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65BZwH40787 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta535.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 04:35:57 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta535.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 04:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A03064A00F0; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 07:32:00 -0400 Received: from jmsemachine ([12.81.86.101]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010705113551.MKVB13460.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@jmsemachine> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:35:51 +0000 From: "Webdriver" To: Subject: RE: EE: FW: blogger Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 04:38:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <000b01c104e7$266cb720$25efb5d0@oemcomputer> Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO jody's enjoinder: >>i respond to no "what is a blog?" type questions.<< okay, then. I'm not gonna ask! (whiney voice) webdriver :-) From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 06:40:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta440.mail.yahoo.com (mta440.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.95]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65CeVH43623 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:40:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta440.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 05:40:30 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta440.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 05:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.54] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF4F7D800F0; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 08:36:31 -0400 Received: from satan ([24.116.34.38]) by mail2.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:40:05 -0700 Message-ID: <06a501c10552$861d2a40$91227418@satan> From: "Rev. Rob" To: References: Subject: Re: EE: Alien Hanky-Panky Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:00:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Dear Web, By "they" I do not mean any humans at all. It is the non-terrestrial entities that have this place quarantined and won't let us out there. Interesting it is like Star Trek's "Prime Directive" which really describes it. Look at our past,,, every civilization or culture we meet that is less advanced technologically than ours we destroy in one way or another. We also have the contamination of war and bigotry and so many more things. Until we evolve beyond that, the entities ("they") have "laws" that guide them and contain us at least to our solar-system. Shalom, Robert Rev. Rob's World: Kabbalah, UFOs, Roswell, New Mexico, Weddings Done www.foursacreddirections.com/shaman other interests: www.foursacreddirections.com Within the Hatter's madness can the Truth be found, for what is Truth if seen as madness, by those all around. "As the sphere of knowledge expands the surface area of ignorance grows larger.... you can't do anything about that" --Terence McKenna From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 07:58:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta549.mail.yahoo.com (mta549.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.32]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65Dw8H48241 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta549.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 06:58:07 2001 -0700 X-Track: 3: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta549.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 06:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out3.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.79] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A1819A100F0; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 09:54:09 -0400 Received: from pop5.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (pop5.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.83]) by out3.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f65DNr630882 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:23:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [169.207.112.227] (d161.as26.nwbl1.wi.voyager.net [169.207.112.227]) by pop5.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f65Ds7B89345 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:54:08 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: cgoldman@mail.execpc.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007b01c1042c$d700a3a0$26d5ffd1@vajrastar> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:04:36 -0700 To: e.e@visionplants.org From: Charles Goldman Subject: Re: EE: novelty lifeboat Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO folly: >you, deer charles, are an absolute nut!! yes. >stinging nettlefish, another name for goldman.... yes. >you are looking at a cross-section of the inside of charles goldman's head, >folks. yes. sick person. yes. >what, your sperm?? in a package? a missile shaped package? nope. but i can dress as a condom for Halloween. similar phallic shape. >> i think my history is incorrect. but, you know what? > >your history sucks! as do your lips when you are making love. yes. easily disproven with actual facts. besides, i like your history better, because it's true. my skinny lips will remain sealed. >there used to be a sadhu, a holy man in india, who was called "crackpot >baba". the only thing he would wear was a cracked pot, on his head. do >you suppose he did too much mdma? i am a madman. raving has destroyed me for eternity. when guru told me i had 10,000 more incarnations to go in order to become realized, i laughed and laughed and laughed, knowing it to be the truth. so, i am hoping that this earthly realm becomes more flexible and less dogmatic, more a party and less a tribunal, more a life re-enforcing state of being so that i can continue to watch others turn from caterpillars into butterflies, for i love butterflies. and i do agree... >---love is all there is, >mr flying frog "yeah, yeah, yeah, yeaaaah." - the Beatles c From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 08:07:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta581.mail.yahoo.com (mta581.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.110]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65E7RH48856 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:07:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta581.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 07:07:25 2001 -0700 X-Track: 1: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta581.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 07:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A3AD13400FE; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:03:25 -0400 Received: from Braggi@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id a.7a.1735265b (25511) for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:07:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Braggi@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.1735265b.2875ce8d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:07:09 EDT Subject: Re: EE: Alien Hanky-Panky To: e.e@visionplants.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Webdriver writes: >Guess I'll have to go on not believing anything. It's a lot safer that >way. >You don't have to fight for it if you don't believe it. Like I said in a previous post. I know what the Weekly World News says on it's front page is always true. I saw Men in Black. Obviously, Rev. Robert did too. Blessings, -Jeff From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 08:07:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta532.mail.yahoo.com (mta532.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.204]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65E7VH48863 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta532.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 07:07:30 2001 -0700 X-Track: 3: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta532.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 07:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.1.77] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A3B51B0400F4; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:03:33 -0400 Received: from pop4.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (pop4.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.2.83]) by out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f65E9XV60728 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:09:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [169.207.112.227] (d89.as16.nwbl1.wi.voyager.net [169.207.89.89]) by pop4.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f65E2TY58280 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:02:29 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: cgoldman@mail.execpc.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010704084559.97488.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <01ef01c1042b$84405d00$df3c2dc8@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:14:02 -0700 To: e.e@visionplants.org From: Charles Goldman Subject: Re: EE: Bring On The Power Plants! Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO >>Come forth, you motley troop - >> not a gentleman among you - >>Not one that won't lie, cheat, or swindle >> a ride - >>Come, all ye ruffians: >>Be fruitful, we have need of poison >> >>- Dale Pendell From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 08:50:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta532.mail.yahoo.com (mta532.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.204]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65EonH52153 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:50:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta532.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 07:50:49 2001 -0700 X-Track: 7: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta532.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.35] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ADD824600FE; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:46:48 -0400 Received: from [208.25.59.50] (208-25-59-50.stk.inreach.net [208.25.59.50]) by smtp.inreach.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f65EobE25858 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:50:38 -0700 X-Sender: spanda@pop3.inreach.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7a.1735265b.2875ce8d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:50:13 -0700 To: e.e@visionplants.org From: spanda@inreach.com Subject: Re: EE: Alien Hanky-Panky Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO >Webdriver writes: > >>Guess I'll have to go on not believing anything. It's a lot safer that >>way. >>You don't have to fight for it if you don't believe it. > >Like I said in a previous post. I know what the Weekly World News says on >it's front page is always true. I saw Men in Black. Obviously, Rev. Robert >did too. > Let us not forget AC Clark's "Childhood's End" in which the aliens were the custodians as we broke out of our egg and joined the Big Guys. A much more realistic scenario imho. Or, go back and reread Jung. More in line with personal experience, even with multiple craft sightings under my belt. m >Blessings, > >-Jeff From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 09:47:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta311.mail.yahoo.com (mta311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.107.43]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65Fl0H57636 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) MBOX-Line: From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 05 15:46:59 2001 Received: from mta311.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 08:46:59 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: -40 Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta311.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wf.net [64.57.224.7] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id AAFC39B00FE; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:42:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 14475 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 10:46:44 -0500 Received: from pm5-3.dialup.wf.net (HELO goldcoat) (64.57.227.110) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 5 Jul 2001 10:46:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010705104423.00747c4c@mail.wf.net> Aerie: Moon Arbor Anthropaean: Holotropic Hymn of Heliolotry X-Sender: aardvark@mail.wf.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:44:23 -0500 To: e.e@visionplants.org From: Chaffyn Subject: EE: Web Site Update ~ More Wee Bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO . === http://www.wf.net/~aardvark/ee/wheree/wee_bee.htm === From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 10:02:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta571.mail.yahoo.com (mta571.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.100]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65G2WH59430 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:02:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) MBOX-Line: From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 05 16:02:25 2001 Received: from mta571.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 09:02:25 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 3: 40 Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta571.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 09:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.54] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AE603F700FE; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:57:20 -0400 Received: from satan ([24.116.34.25]) by mail2.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:00:54 -0700 Message-ID: <06c401c1056e$93fa9960$91227418@satan> From: "Rev. Rob" To: References: <7a.1735265b.2875ce8d@aol.com> Subject: Re: EE: Alien Hanky-Panky Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:21:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Dear Jeff, "Like I said in a previous post. I know what the Weekly World News says on it's front page is always true. I saw Men in Black. Obviously, Rev. Robert did too. Blessings," I don't know what they said, but I do know a MIB, but he is nothing like the typical stereotype for the most part. He is a freak over old sci-fi films and has hundreds. He was also intelligence-counterintelligence as part of his unit on retrieval. He knows much about what other gov's know about UFO's and has worked with many other gov's. Generally, the US comes in and just takes over whether the other gov's like it or not. If you spent 15 minutes at his house he would prove to you without a doubt that "they" exist and are here. With more time and getting got know his he can prove many things that are just "crazy speculation" to most people. I am not naive or gullible, and am very skeptical about any claims. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." Cliff has and shares a room full of file cabinets plus many others in about every room in the house full of extraordinary proof. He has written two books using all gov documents to back up his experience and lets you make the decision yourself. That is all he wants... read the stuff and make your own decision. He is a really great guy that has suffered greatly for his "breaking" with what the gov wants him to do. Shalom, Robert Rev. Rob's World: Kabbalah, UFOs, Roswell, New Mexico, Weddings Done www.foursacreddirections.com/shaman other interests: www.foursacreddirections.com Within the Hatter's madness can the Truth be found, for what is Truth if seen as madness, by those all around. "As the sphere of knowledge expands the surface area of ignorance grows larger.... you can't do anything about that" --Terence McKenna From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 10:40:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta538.mail.yahoo.com (mta538.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.19]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65GeeH63173 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:40:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) MBOX-Line: From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 05 16:40:39 2001 Received: from mta538.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 09:40:39 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta538.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 09:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wf.net [64.57.224.7] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7961C0800F4; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:36:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 29129 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 11:40:30 -0500 Received: from pm5-3.dialup.wf.net (HELO goldcoat) (64.57.227.110) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 5 Jul 2001 11:40:30 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010705113809.0074883c@mail.wf.net> Aerie: Moon Arbor Anthropaean: Holotropic Hymn of Heliolotry X-Sender: aardvark@mail.wf.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:38:09 -0500 To: e.e@visionplants.org From: Chaffyn Subject: Re: EE: Correct e-addy for EE In-Reply-To: <20010704231955.60987.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010704180119.00a93260@mail.wf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO . === Yes ... === Please use At 04:19 PM 7/4/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I though this message never made it to the list, i >never got it, anyhoo, this tour is officially >cancelled to due certain circumstances. > >and Chaffyn, is that right? e.e ? or ee? > >--- Chaffyn wrote: >> At 01:50 PM 6/6/01 -0700, you wrote: >> >Enehn Dmitri is doing a cross-country tour! If you >> >would like him to show up in yuor home town or >> arrange >> > personal meetings, contact me personally: >> >evan@shpongle.com >> > >> >===== >> >> === >> Hi Evan ... >> === >> >> Please use this addy for EE: e.e@visionplants.org >> >> Tanx! :~) >> >> === >> Chaffyn >> === >> >> > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 12:49:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta573.mail.yahoo.com (mta573.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.102]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65InKH74813 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:49:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) MBOX-Line: From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 05 18:49:18 2001 Received: from mta573.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 11:49:18 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta573.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 11:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5C03C000EE; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:45:20 -0400 Received: from Braggi@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id a.11a.13d6d96 (3735) for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:49:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Braggi@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.13d6d96.287610a3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:49:07 EDT Subject: Re: EE: Alien Hanky-Panky To: e.e@visionplants.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Robert writes: >He has written two books using all gov >documents to back up his experience and lets you make the decision yourself. >That is all he wants... What are the books? Anybody else on the list read any of 'em? -Jeff PS. It wasn't clear from your post whether you've seen Men In Black. If you haven't, you should. It's a hoot. Very clever. I do think the most clever part was the way they worked the Weekly World News into the story. From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 13:13:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta509.mail.yahoo.com (mta509.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.25]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65JCwH77191 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:12:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) MBOX-Line: From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 05 19:12:57 2001 Received: from mta509.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 12:12:57 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta509.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 12:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB4C44200EE; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:09:00 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.81.86.107]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010705191251.JALV3707.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:12:51 +0000 From: "webdriver" To: "EE Vision Plants" Subject: EE: Echelon Whimper Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:10:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Looks like the Echelon conspirators weren't just whistlin' dixie, eh? Amerikans are making friends around the world! webdriver :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From HotWired 7/4/2001 Echelon Furor Ends in a Whimper By Steve Kettmann 3:00 p.m. July 3, 2001 PDT STRASBOURG, France -- In the end, a year of hard work boils down to this: Echelon exists and the Europeans don't like it, but there isn't much they can do except wring their hands in impotent fury as the Americans continue spying on whomever they please. The resolution approved Tuesday by a European Parliament committee set up to investigate the satellite-based surveillance system condemned Echelon's existence but, aside from agreeing to step up meaningful rhetorical pressure on the Americans, achieved very little. The committee officially wrapped up its inquiry late Tuesday by passing more than 60 of 160 amendments before approving the entire resolution, 27-5. There were two abstentions. Some of the amendments sought to add a harder edge to the language of committee head Gerhard Schmid of Germany, whose 113-page report was hailed for its balance and fairness, which is often politician-speak for blandness. Giuseppe Di Lello Finuoli of Italy, one of three vice chairmen, protested that the committee's emphasis on legalisms would not prevent Europeans from having their e-mail, faxes and phone conversations monitored by nosy Americans, along with their English-speaking partners, England, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Di Lello Finuoli believes the system widely known as Echelon -- which Schmid's report says may or may not be accurate -- will continue to operate with impunity. "That failure to protect European citizens will have been endorsed by the failure to take action," Di Lello Finuoli said through the official translator. "Everything will continue on as it has in the past. It is possible to conduct espionage from one country of the European Union on another without any consequences. This group has done some very good work, but I think the mountain has given birth to a mouse." That's how his remarks were translated, at any rate. Schmid defended his support of European investment in decryption, not just encryption, which some critics see as de facto acknowledgement that Europe has its own plans for an Echelon-type system. Then he hurried out of the meeting room, waving off questions and saying his comments would come at a press conference scheduled for Wednesday morning. Nevertheless, committee chairman Carlos Coelho pronounced the yearlong inquiry a success, saying that given the parliament's diverse constituency -- one with a legendary reputation for fractiousness and squabbling -- he was pleased by the level of consensus. "I don´t think any of the amendments we approved was anything quite different," Coelho said. "But there are more references to the United States than what was in the draft." For example, Amendment No. 105 "Calls on the Member States to negotiate with the USA a Code of Conduct similar to that of the EU." Not exactly the kind of tough talk expected to cow the Bush administration, but it may have some symbolic value if the full European Parliament approves the committee's resolution in September. Then there's Amendment No. 94, stating that the committee "regards it as essential that an agreement should be ... signed between the European Union and the United States stipulating that each ... should observe ... the provisions governing the protection of the citizens and the confidentiality of business communications applicable to its own citizens and firms...." In other words, knock off the industrial espionage, Yank. That expands on previous language urging the UN secretary general to push for Article 17 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights to be updated so that it "guarantees the protection of privacy, into line with technical innovations." Article 17 also calls upon the United States to sign this "Additional Protocol," so that individuals can submit complaints to the Human Rights Committee set up under the covenant. Language was also added referring to "authoritative sources" confirming a U.S. congressional report which estimated that economic intelligence funneled from the government could give U.S. companies up to $7 billion in added contracts. Damning stuff, at least compared with the cautious tone taken by Schmid in his report, or even in the amendments he offered Tuesday, all of which were passed. One of Schmid's seven amendments, for example, noted that "the U.S. intelligence services do not merely investigate general economic facts but also intercept detailed communications between undertakings, particularly where contracts are being awarded, and they justify this on the grounds of combating attempted bribery.... (This) detailed interception poses the risk that information may be used for the purpose of competitive intelligence-gathering rather than combating corruption, even though the U.S. and the United Kingdom state that they do not do so." This focus on industrial espionage reflects the general thinking of many in the European Parliament that the threat to commerce is as much a concern as potential violations of individual privacy rights. But it was criticized by some committee members, at times quite fiercely. "We are being completely hypocritical," said Alain M. Krivine of France. "All countries are engaged in political and (industrial) espionage. It is just a question of power, and the United States has the most power. It is part and parcel of globalization. However, the United States are not the only ones who are promoting capitalism this way." From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 13:37:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta461.mail.yahoo.com (mta461.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.126]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65JbvH80029 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:37:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) MBOX-Line: From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 05 19:37:56 2001 Received: from mta461.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 12:37:56 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta461.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 12:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.54] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A1264CE00EE; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:33:58 -0400 Received: from satan ([24.116.34.25]) by mail2.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:37:32 -0700 Message-ID: <06ce01c1058c$d7a8aa80$91227418@satan> From: "Rev. Rob" To: References: <11a.13d6d96.287610a3@aol.com> Subject: Re: EE: Alien Hanky-Panky Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:58:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Dear Jeff, I have a copy of MIB the movie, but I have also met some real MIB.... most of them DON'T have a sense of humor, and if they do I fear it. UFO's: Let The Evidence Speak For Itself (C) 1991 Image Colors Graphic California This one was printed several times but is now out of print. However, I might be able to get copies from Cliff if he has any more he will part with. They are collector's items now. I guess worth quite a bit since people have offered me over $500 for my original printing copy; then when I say I can't because he is a friend and it is signed I have been offered over $2,500 for my copy. Needless to say I don't let it out of my house without being in my possession! Book 2 is: U.F.O's Are Real Extraterrestrial Encounters Documented by the U.S. Government Clifford E. Stone (C) 1997 SPI Books: NY, NY ISBN 1-56171-972-2 My copy is a "Commemorative Edition 50th Anniversary 1947 Roswell Incident" edition at least that is on a seal on the cover, and I have #219 of 800 but I don't know if he only signed 800 or the special edition was 800, either way it is a nationally publicized book that should be available unless it is out of print and waiting for another. I don't know how many printings it has been through (I think at least 2 but they are identical except for the cover with the special seal on it) but this is the book he is really known for in the "general" public. Like I said, his first book is really a Ufologist collector's book that was printed in great numbers but not a particularly major national printing/ad campaign book. . I have quite a few books that are signed by Ufologists because of knowing Cliff and meeting them or another friend that was knows them. I have a special section in my bookcase for my signed books. I have an Art Bell signed book, The Day After Roswell I have signed by the late Col., and gosh quite a few others by Kevin Randal and others. I also have special printings signed that Cliff did for congressional hearings and briefs and for certain lecture tour things he did. I also hold certain things for protection that are fascinating. I am not trying to brag about it but I just live in the right place and have met the right people. Cliff and I were meant to be friends. By chance 11 years ago he took a sociology class for the hell of it and wound up sitting right behind me! As they say, the rest is history! Shalom, Robert Rev. Rob's World: Kabbalah, UFOs, Roswell, New Mexico, Weddings Done www.foursacreddirections.com/shaman other interests: www.foursacreddirections.com Within the Hatter's madness can the Truth be found, for what is Truth if seen as madness, by those all around. "As the sphere of knowledge expands the surface area of ignorance grows larger.... you can't do anything about that" --Terence McKenna From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 5 14:52:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta501.mail.yahoo.com (mta501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.11]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f65KqjH87291 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) MBOX-Line: From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Thu Jul 05 20:52:44 2001 Received: from mta501.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Jul 5 13:52:44 2001 -0700 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta501.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2001 13:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.225] by visionplants.org (SMTPD32-6.06) id A2AE37A00F2; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:48:46 -0400 Message-ID: <20010705205238.11359.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.191.119.137] by web12602.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:52:38 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Subject: EE: Steve's Intro! : New EEer To: e.e@visionplants.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010705113809.0074883c@mail.wf.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: RO Hey folks, got a new shaman for the tribe. Whoever does the subscription stuff can you please subscribe Steve to EE @ Here's his intro: aha. a bit about me - i interpret your response as a 'where are you coming from?' type question. i'll have to brief... there's some photo's from various adventures in India / Mexico posted at www.hipiteca.org and there's an anthropological research feature i created relating to the Kogi people of northern columbia, their shamanistic worldview and useage of coca as a sacred entheogenic spirit ally online @ www.mediadome.net/kogi this web project was created further to visiting Columbia in 1998 in order to make parties during the total solar eclipse. I'm fairly well versed in terms of asiatic philosophy and spiritual traditions including Hinduism, Shivaism, Tantra and Mahayana Buddism. I've spent a year living in India visiting temples and ashrams and engaging in illuminating discussion with various yogis, sadhus, brahmins and enlightened seekers (i've also been involved in making a number of parties in various beautiful natural places in india where i first smoked dimethyltryptamine on om beach in 1998...) I've also a massive interest in the mythology, cosmology and ethnobotanical gnosis present in shamanistic cultures... more recently i have been drawn to mexico, a country i've visited twice, most likely in view of the high density of naturally occuring psychotropics and wealth of cultures for whom these magickal entities were regarded as sacred. last christmas i made pilgrimage with several mexican friends to the altiplano desert near Real de Catorce known as wirikuta to the huichol peoples who visit this area in order to collect and make ritual with hikuri. i have also lived for a time with a shaman deep in the heart of the sierra mazateca, several hours walk from Hautla de Jimenez, the town where R Gordon Wassan and Albert Hoffman re-discoverd the ritual use of the entheogenic stropharia cubensis mushrooms et al which abound in this area. i'm not sure whether you actually know this or not... vpl == visionary plants list (later the forum became variously entheogenic loving friends and temporary autonomous zone) -- it was / is a closed 'inner circle' forum for visionaries, chemists, artists and therapists who share a love and belief in the positive, transformational properties of psychotropic compounds. initially it was a receipe swapping forum for various chemists although in reality it was a much wider forum where a wide spectrum of intellectual views and pursuits were represented. sadly after following and occasionally contributing to this forum from 1996 onwards, i felt it savvy to leave the list during the middle of last year when I may or may not have been under investigation from various so called 'intelligence services' and was otherwise living a very dangerous and unpleasant episode in my characters 'life' from which i have since recharged the spiritual batteries and healed... i feel comfortable 'discussing' this with a relative stranger because i have read some of your recent posts with interest and if the mayan saying 'the way of expression implies a state of mind' holds true then i think we are more or less on the same frequency... don't have time to right more right now (professionally i'm a software engineer, information architect, hacker, webmonkey and acrobat) and professional interests call. I'm re-reading siddartha by hermann hesse right now and if aren't already familiar with Hesse's work i strongly urge you to check his writing out. I've read most of Mckenna's books and essays several times and find many points of simarlarity between his thinking and some of my own models / maps (indeed terrance mckenna has been extremely influential upon my thinking) I'll probably listen more than I post to a forum like novelty but i'm sure from time to time i might offer a valuable contribution and clearly i'd enjoy being a part of such a network... so get back to me with the subscription info if you or whoever think thats an appropriate course of action to take -- the address i'd like to subscribe is hikuri@hipiteca.org all the best companero, stev. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/