From owner-leri@daft.com Fri Jan 11 22:42:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from perv.daft.com (perv.daft.com [204.122.30.2]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0C5fsb33286 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:42:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-leri@daft.com) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by (8.10.2/23) id g0C51WC21942 for leri-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:01:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: perv.daft.com: majordom set sender to owner-leri@daft.com using -f Received: from morphine.neuron.net (dark.slam.cc [216.254.9.108]) by perv.daft.com (8.10.2/23) with ESMTP id g0C51CR21921 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:01:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: perv.daft.com: Host dark.slam.cc [216.254.9.108] claimed to be morphine.neuron.net Received: by morphine.neuron.net (Postfix, from userid 1094) id 8EFB08D1E; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morphine.neuron.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F391551C; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:03:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:03:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mordechai X To: Cc: Motor fuel or psychoactive beverage? Subject: Re: Pain. In-Reply-To: <20020102134226.E19582@moe.cc.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <20020111205418.C45327-100000@morphine.neuron.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-leri@daft.com X-Loop: leri@daft.com Precedence: list Status: R On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 fing@uts.cc.utexas.edu wrote: > > > > Xing Yi is a boxing form. Its approach is to learn to hit as hard as > > humanly possible by aligning the blow from heel to knuckle, to block and > > strike at the same time, and to disable by striking and causing pain. It > > is based around the five elements and five basic strikes which define it. > > Technical question: is this the taoist wu hsing five elements, > or the buddhist earth-water-air-fire-space pentad? probably a > dumb question, since it has "hsing" right in its name, but i > gotta be sure... > > Love, Fing > You got it the first time...the five elements are Taoist, hence fire, water, wood, metal, and earth. My only reference linking (heh) the five elements to the five basic 'fists' of Xing Yi is currently elsewhere or I'd provide that also. cheers, -@man. From owner-leri@daft.com Fri Jan 11 22:49:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from perv.daft.com (perv.daft.com [204.122.30.2]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0C5nHb33733 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:49:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-leri@daft.com) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by (8.10.2/23) id g0C5Laq22592 for leri-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:21:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: perv.daft.com: majordom set sender to owner-leri@daft.com using -f Received: from morphine.neuron.net (dark.slam.cc [216.254.9.108]) by perv.daft.com (8.10.2/23) with ESMTP id g0C5LPR22586 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:21:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: perv.daft.com: Host dark.slam.cc [216.254.9.108] claimed to be morphine.neuron.net Received: by morphine.neuron.net (Postfix, from userid 1094) id 3CDFE8D21; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morphine.neuron.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F57551C; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:23:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:23:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mordechai X To: Cc: Motor fuel or psychoactive beverage? Subject: Xing Yi In-Reply-To: <20020111205418.C45327-100000@morphine.neuron.net> Message-ID: <20020111211620.M45327-100000@morphine.neuron.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-leri@daft.com X-Loop: leri@daft.com Precedence: list Status: R On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Mordechai X wrote: > > You got it the first time...the five elements are Taoist, hence fire, > water, wood, metal, and earth. > > My only reference linking (heh) the five elements to the five basic > 'fists' of Xing Yi is currently elsewhere or I'd provide that also. > > cheers, > -@man. > Found it! Pi Quan (Chopping Fist): Metal Beng Quan (Crushing Fist): Wood Zuan Quan (Drilling Fist): Water Pao Quan (Cannon Fist): Fire Heng Quan (Horizontal Fist): Earth. Here are still photos of my Sifu performing these five elements: http://www.liuhopafa.com/Photo.htm Heng Quan is translated here as "crossing fist" and Pao Quan as "pounding fist". Pi Quan is "splitting fist". The correspondence between Chinese and English is loose at the best of times. Please note that in an internal martial art (especially), photos like this are almost totally useless to get a sense for what it's all about. I'm only posting it because it has pictures of Sifu. :-> cheers, -@man.