From e.e-owner@visionplants.org Wed Oct 17 23:45:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta463.mail.yahoo.com (mta463.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.128]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id f9I5jjA41075 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from e.e-owner@visionplants.org) Received: from mta463.mail.yahoo.com for valor@global-dialog.org; Oct 17 22:45:44 2001 -0700 X-Track: 2: 40 X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from eedonut@yahoo.com to valor@global-dialog.org Received: from 128.242.244.136 (EHLO visionplants.org) (128.242.244.136) by mta463.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2001 22:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com [64.4.15.148] by visionplants.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC3E25F50154; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:44:30 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:45:21 -0700 Received: from 128.223.209.111 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 05:45:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.223.209.111] From: "walking wanderer" To: e.e@visionplants.org Subject: Re: EE: dissent Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:45:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2001 05:45:21.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[1397B740:01C15798] Precedence: bulk Sender: e.e-owner@visionplants.org Reply-To: e.e@visionplants.org Status: R Lo: "I am more than ok with being the lone voice of dissent within this group...usually am it seems." g you're not alone, Greg, but it's difficult for me to post, and anyway i've given up on espousing reason and moderation to extremists. here you have a group who, if GW Bush went on TV and said "the sky is blue," several people would decry it as some kind of vile disinformation campaign, a couple more would post long boring vituperative abstractions against capitalism by Noam Chomsky, and a few more would post even longer quotes from allmediaisevil.org on how anything you see on TV, hear on the radio or read in print is contrived solely to enslave you and enrich themselves (so where DOES one get information i always wonder). the rest would cross their eyes inwardly and declare that it isn't happening, or if it is it's on a such a gross plane of existence that one shouldn't pollute one's aura by acknowledging it. these are people who would have said Hitler was just a victim of bad press and government misinformation campaigns. all he needed was a hug. these are people whose halos shimmer while proclaiming that there is never a justification for the death penalty but support abortion rights; who will assert that US sanctions have killed half a million children in Iraq (Saddam had nothing to do with it?) but ignore the role sanctions had in ending apartheid in South Africa; who condemn everything the US has ever done to influence politics in central America but fall strangely silent when confronted with the fact that Nicaragua is now voting regularly in free elections for both Sandinista and (former) Contra leaders. no, you can't make any points in these arguments, Greg, so why try? the US government has 206 evil bones in its body and every one of them will be used to bludgeon some pure and shining little country into submission to the wicked goal of supporting democracy and human rights. only three countries in the world ever recognized the Taliban regime, not including the US who supposedly put them in power. i guess we are supposed to believe that the US somehow secretly directs the foreign policy of every nation on the planet. uh, okay; got any more of that Jello from outer space? p.s. an eye for an eye does not make the whole world blind; it makes it one-eyed. ;~) ww _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp